Originally Posted by phorwath
That Bibler Torre (now Tempest)... Is it big enough for two sleeping bags, rifles, backpacks and boots; or just large enough to sleep two people. Looks like a nice tent, but I can't judge the size very well. It's built to accept four tie down cords, correct? What's the approximate current price now that it's being made using low-cost labor?
That Kifaru tee-pee style tent. You say the stove only weighs three lbs? Wow! Does that include the weight of the stove pipe? How do you pack away the stove and stovepipe on the way in and out? How do you keep the ash and creosote from tainting the other camping gear and clothing that you're packing on your trips? You using horses? Any burn holes through the floor yet? Look's like a sweet deal if you're camping in a protected / sheltered area and have access to some firewood. Wouldn't want to expose this tent to windy conditions with a fire in the stove though. Could lead to a quick burn-down-the-camp ending to the hunt.
Thanks for posting the photos.
The kifaru knock off weighs about 6.5 lbs. The stove another 3 lbs or so.
No horses. Can't afford the critters.
If you go to the Kifaru website, ( KIFARU HUNTING & MILITARY GEAR
)you'll see how the stovepipe rolls up. The 7' stovepipe pictured packs away to a 1 1/4" tube by 13" long or so. Pretty slick. Stove comes apart so that stove and pipe fit in a little bag about 13" by 8" by 2".
No ash and creosote in tent. Just a very thin layer on inside of stovepipe. Thing burns so hot, there's typically no smoke seen coming out the stack except at startup. Gotta have wood handy.
Piece about 3/4 wrist size and smaller work well. Mostly stuff you find on the ground. I saw some up with my 'Dandy' saw every couple of days (about 15min work) and put it in the tent to dry out.
This tent design sheds wind very well and, when pitched correctly, will take a huge amount of wind just fine. They are not a design to be 'coddled', that's for sure. Again, check out the Kifaru website. Just from my expereince, I wouldn't be worried about using the stove in wind at all. The tent is quite sturdy with the one center pole and 16 stakes holding it down. There's probably at least 100lbs downforce on that center pole by the time the tent is pitched and the tipi design sheds wind very well.
I have another fiberglass piece in front of the stove while in use to catch sparks the come out of the stove--works well, no hole in floor or tent body yet. The two spark arrestors in the chimney help out there.
The Bibler Tempest is aroudn $500 now. Used to be alot more.( Black Diamond Equipment, Ltd. - Product
- Black Diamond bought Bibler a few years back. Black Diamond used to be called Chouinard Equipment and was owned by Yvon Chouinard, the guy who owns Patagonia, until he was sued back in the late 80's because someone died climbing because they didn't follow the clearly printed instructions on a climbing harness and a judge ruled that it was manufacturers fault--where did personal responsibility go?) It's a decent sized two man tent, but it would be tight for two folks with hunting gear--the two vestibules help a bit, but I still think you'd want a garbage sac or something to put your pack in at night out side, for instance.
That's what's so nice about the tipi tent--plenty of room to spread out and dry stuff off at the same weight and with an unlimited fuel supply camping in the woods and thinking ahead a bit. You do need a fairly large and fairly level spot and that can be a challenge in the mountains sometimes. And, the it's not self standing like most of your mountain tents.
The Bibler Tempest has six exterior 'tie-down' cords. (Is that what you mean?) 15 stakes total--these things are meant to stay put. (However, never leave a tent staked out only in snow without alot of weight in it (rocks) and/or deadmen/picket type anchors. I came back to camp after summitting some years ago and my tent was missing. Checked every nearby crevasse for some time. It's down in one of them being ground into find green pieces of nylon, I'm sure.)