backpack rifle build

bcdeford · #1 09-24-2011, 08:58 PM

So for my next rifle I want to build a long range folder that is under 8.5 lb full system but capable of 1000yd accuracy. Hear is my plan. 700 action chambered for either 6.5 creedmoor or .260. 20 inch barrel on a XLR folding chassis. I have done the wilderness hunt thing packing 12-15 lb guns plus optics plus wayt o much gear and have decided light and spartan is the way to go. anybody have some tips or suggestions to share?

midnightmalloy · #2 09-25-2011, 04:12 PM

Eberlestock has a new folding stock that looks nice for a 700. Maybe go with a cabon wrapped barrel. For that I would look at a 7wsm or 7 saum. That's my input.

bcdeford · #3 09-25-2011, 05:48 PM

Im looking forward to seeing the price tag and the overall weight for that chassis. It folds down shorter than any other stock I have looked at. what is your argument for the 7mm's though? personal preference or do you have a theory behind that?

the shotty · #4 09-25-2011, 06:27 PM

Are you looking for 1000 yard paper accuracy or game accuracy? Past 800 yards with those rounds is really going to be pushing it for anything over coyote size and particularly with that short of a barrel. The 7mm will be a better choice for those ranges, I personally would say 300wsm just due to the extra punch. Other thing I personally would consider if your looking for compact would be a Lrh pistol in either 6.5wsm, 7wsm,300wsm but again just my preference. Don't get me wrong I love my .260 and would definitely run one for general light weight pack gun but they just don't have the punchpast 750 ish yards that most prefer. My 300wsm tikka weighs in at 8.5 scoped and with a break on it I find it fun to shoot rather than just bearable. But if I want manuverability and or won't have shots over 150 yards I run my ruger blackhawk in a shoulder holster

bcdeford · #5 09-25-2011, 07:02 PM

My ar-10 6.5 creedmoor with a 24 inch barrel is still shooting over 1500 fps and about 775 Energy ft-lbs with 140 gr bergers at 1000yards. Granted a barrel 2-4 inches shorter may affect that some but I think I can still do 800 yards minimum with a 6.5 creedmoor. If I were to ackley a .260 I could more. I am partial to the 6.5s because they hold there energy so well vise the .30 cals I used to shoot.

the shotty · #6 09-25-2011, 11:26 PM

That sounds pretty hot paticularly for a creed, I'm not running a custom action mind you so my tolerance levels aren't what they could be; but in my 26 inch barrel savage Target hot loads run me in the 2910 fps range before I pop primers. (this may change when I switch to lapua brass rather than RP). Again I'm not down playing the .260 or creed but according to shooter balistics cal you need about 2870 fps to reach the levels you post which may be difficult out of such a short barrel but ymmv. Also, again as most hunters prefer to keep +- 1000 ft lbs the min for deer size game that limit is about 780 yards which would also put you about 1800 fps ( which to my memory is min velocity recommended by berger, but I could be wrong on this?). I'm not trying to insult you or get into an argument just trying to help. I think you would be very close to what you would want in a 6.5-300wsm, 6.5-284 if staying with the 6.5 cal whatever you decide I will be interested as to what route you go and what your results end up

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midnightmalloy · #7 09-26-2011, 12:16 AM

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Originally Posted by bcdeford

Im looking forward to seeing the price tag and the overall weight for that chassis. It folds down shorter than any other stock I have looked at. what is your argument for the 7mm's though? personal preference or do you have a theory behind that?

well a 7wsm can push a 168 gr vld to an honest 2950 fps and the 168 vld has a higher bc than even the 140 gr 6.5 vld from berger. so your talking an HONEST 200 fps more than what a creedmore can push a 140 and better wind drift and much more energy out there when honestly comparing the two cartriges. play with a ballistics calculator like at G7 with these two and you will see what I mean. also if you used a backpack like the eberlestocks with the back scabbard then you wont even notice the length so a folder isnt needed. unless you fork out some big dough for a top of the line folder then im pertty sceptical that theyre as solid as a fixed mcmillan or the like. I have a mcmillan A3 sporter with the "edge"package that weighs 30 oz with studs and a recoil pad. solid for long range but light for packing. if you mated this with a 26" carbon wrapped barrel then you are talking a 7lb gun without scope and it would have all the dimensions of a classic long range rig and the accuracy needed to do the job. then you could put a vortex pst 6-24 on for another 23 oz and your set. its just a lot more money for the 2 less pounds and i like to shoot the midweight sporters (9-11lbs.) I honestly cant even tell the differance between a 7 and 9lb rifle when its in the eberlestock and the heavier gun is MUCH EASIER to shoot. Im no expert but i have researched this topic for a while. to actually go legitamate "light weight and long range" i feel you need some dough and i feel that the 2lbs is easier to shed in other things for much less. like your camping gear, spotting scope, binos etc. for example you will shed 1lb on a super high end sleeping bag and it will cost you $200 more than the other, a super light tent and sleeping pad will easily shed another 2 lbs for maybe $300-400. so for another $500 you will shed that weight that would cost you $2000 to do on your rifle and make it more difficult to shoot. Just one guys thoughts thats all.

oh and i think the eberlestock folder is around $1200...thats the cost for a cnc machined all alluminum folder! is it worth it? if you want that then yes, but each person is there judge of price.