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Old 03-26-2011, 03:26 AM
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Re: Advice on backpack hunt gear list

If you have the right sleeping bag, the amount of heat generated from the stove isn't going to do much I don't think. And when you get up in the am, if you have a nice fire pit, you might still have hot coals to get a fire going quickly.

Where I hunt in Idaho, there is plenty of dry wood available even when it is raining, and I never carry a saw. We don't use saws on elk and we completely de-bone the hind quarters and usually bring out the entire skull along with the rack.

I'm pasting in an Alaska sheephunters list for your perusal. I haven't gone there, but this guy has been for years. I've been elking in Idaho since '92, and am always looking for more information.

Sheep List:

Alaska Hunting Gear 10 Day Hunt

Climbing Clothes and Gear

T-shirt: Ibex Tee (1) 4.0 oz
Heavy socks: Wool (1 pair) 2.0 oz
Boxers: Ibex wool (1) 3.0 oz
Climbing clothes: Sitka Ascent Jacket and Ascent Pant 35.0 oz
Climbing hat: Sitka Traverse beanie 1.0 oz
Belt: Sitka Bomber Belt 4.0 oz
Ice/walking Axe Petzel Snowscopic 20.8 oz
Walking poles LEKI 17.0 oz
Binocular: Leica Geovid (10x42 w/rangefinder) 33.3 oz
GPS: Garmin 405 Watch 6.0 oz
Shooting Gloves: Sitka 4.0 oz
Hunting Boots: Koflach Degre 86.2 oz
Gun and Shells: 325 WSM w/20 rnds 160 oz
376.3 oz
(23.5 lbs)
5 Day Spike Camp

Frame: Barney’s Freighter Frame 70.0 oz
Pack: Barney’s Pinnacle Bag 40.0 oz
Pack cover: Kool Dri Rain 4.0 oz
Spotting scope: Swarovski 20-60x65 48.4 oz
Tripod: Velbon Ultramax I F 32.1oz
Stove: Jet Boil 15.0 oz
Isobutane: Jet Boil (1) 3.5 oz
Spoon: REI long steel 2.0 oz Tent: Atko by Hilleberg 52.8 oz
Knife: Havalon Piranta (10 blades) 2.2 oz
Knife: Havalon boning (5 blades) 2.9 oz
Cleaning Gloves 2 sets of rubber gloves w/Handy Wipes 2.0 oz
Headlamp: Petzl Tikka XP (new batteries) 3.4 oz
Digital Camera: ziplock bag and 2 paper towels 6.3 oz
Space Blanket: 7x5 2.0 oz
Game Bags (3): Tag or Cotton 6.0 oz
1 gallon ziplock bags (2) 2.0 oz
Garbage bag: Commercial grade (1) 2.0 oz
Parachute Cord: 30 feet 7.0 oz
Sleeping Cot: UltraLite 32.0 oz
Sleeping Pad: Thermarest Prolight 4R 3.2 oz
Sleeping Bag: Wiggys Hunter 84.0 oz
Compression Sack: Sea to Summit 1lg sn240 Ultra-light (2) 3.3 oz
Lighters: Blastmatch 3.0 oz Duck tape: 12 inches 2.0 oz
Water bottle: Gatorade ( 1.0 ltr) 4.0 oz
Water sack: 6 ltr MSR DromLite 7.0 oz
Boxers: Ibex wool (1) 3.0 oz
Heavy socks: (1 pair) 2.0 oz
Base Layer: Micro wt Smart Wool (1 top and bottom) 6.8 oz
Cold wx clothes: Sitka Kelven Jacket, Pants and vest 66.0 oz
Rain/cold Wx : Sitka Cold Front Jacket and pants 50.0 oz
Gloves: Sitka Cold Front 5.1 oz Stocking Cap: Sitka Bomber Hat 4.0 oz Balaclava: Sitka 5.0 oz
Bug Net/Repellent: 5.0 oz
First Aid Kit 20.0 oz
Toiletries: Toothbrush, toothpaste, floss, towel 8.0 oz
Pillow: 4.0 oz
Food: 240.0 oz
693.7 oz
(43.3 lbs)
Base Camp

Base Layer: Micro wt Smart Wool (1 top and bottom) 6.8 oz
Heavy socks: (1 pair) 2.0 oz
T-shirt: Ibex Tee (1) 4.0 oz
Boxers: Ibex wool (1) 3.0 oz
Over Whites: Tyvek Suit 4.0 oz
Satellite Phone: Iridium 9555 and waterproof bag 30.0 oz
Glacier socks: 10.0 oz
Compression Sack: Sea to Summit 1lg sn240 Ultra-light (2) 3.3 oz
Bear fence: Light weight with 4 AA Batteries 48.0 oz
Tent: Kaitum by Hilleberg 88.0 oz
Shelter: Integral 26.0 oz
Lightweight sacks: Tent deadmans (12) 12.0 oz
Isobutane: Jet Boil (1) 3.5 oz
Handsaw: Silky Sugoi 17” (removed handle and sheath) 7.0 oz
Power supply: High Gear solar 3.0 oz
Cramp-ons Kahtoola 19.0 oz
1 gallon ziplock bags (3) 3.0 oz
Garbage bag: Commercial grade (1) 2.0 oz
Water purifier 18.0 oz
Camp Shoes Crocks and Solomon trail shoes 6.0 oz
Stocking Cap: Sitka Bomber Hat 4.0 oz Down Jacket: Mountain Hard Wear Phantom Jacket (Down 800) 15.0 oz
Rope: 100 feet 8mm 48.0 oz
Food: 240.0 oz
Salt: 80.0 oz
685.6 oz
(42.8 lbs )



Salt: Pounded 1= 4lbs 1/2 gal milk jug = 7lbs
Sheep 5-10 lbs
Bou 10-15 lbs
Bear 25-30 lbs
Moose 25-50 lbs
Wolf 10 lbs

Boat Hunt

Winter boots
Hip Boots
Compass: Silva
Book
Sharpening stone
Cooler
Water Can
Hitch Haul
Boat
Tarp
Life Jackets Seating Pads
Boat Grill w/propane
Deep Cycle Battery
High Lo Lift
Come Along w/chains
Dry Bags
Emergency Driving kit
Surveyors Tape
Shovel
Tools w/spark Plugs and filters
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Old 03-26-2011, 03:34 AM
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Re: Advice on backpack hunt gear list

Also;

I tried alcohol stoves two years ago and am sold on them.

I bought several from a guy on ebay the first year, they work great. Denatured alcohol, no moving parts, and light as two feathers. I bought a couple different ones to try this past year and was not as happy. I bought an Evernew(I think) Titanium stove, and tried it once at home. It is not as hot as my year one, but will be testing it this year. I was carrying two stoves(maybe 2 ounces), fuel in aluminum fuel bottle, and a jetboil 1 liter pot as my cooking system. The coke can stoves fit in the jetboil, and the fuel bottle goes in my double wall coffee cup. Nice compact set up.

I might buy a couple stoves from this guy to try. WHITE BOX STOVES- BACKPACK ALCOHOL STOVE over 7000 SOLD | eBay

I haven't yet, but probably will.
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Old 03-27-2011, 09:15 PM
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Re: Advice on backpack hunt gear list

Thanks for posting the list, I will have to check it out more thoroughly.

Also I have a couple of the ebay alcohol stoves, I have used them a few times and they seem to work well. If I wasn't packing a wood stove, or for a light overnighter I'd likely use them or my esbit for simplicity. With a wind screen they work nice.

That saw looks much sturdier than mine also, what does it weigh?

I got my current updated list off my excel sheet to post just now. I don't have my postage scale yet so I haven't verified all the weights, but they should be real close. Let me know if I'm improving. The 1/2 weights are my share of the 2 man camp items. It didn't post quite like it previewed, but weights are still shown on the far right. I can't get the spacing smaller on the post.

gear
oz

Kifaru sawtooth tipi 72oz total 1/2wt

36


Kifaru Parastove 40oz total 1/2 wt

20


Sleeping bag Montbell ULSS 15 degree

37


Sleeping pad Thermarest prolite plus 20x72

24


GPS/radio Garmin Rhino 130 w/weatherband

9


Snow peak mug .7L w/lid

5


Snow peak spork

1


eberlestock J34

110


Frogg Toggs pants

8


toilet paper

4


1.3oz Sea to Summit soap

1


katadyn filter (1 between us 12oz total)

6


Nalgene 96oz soft canteen (camp water) 3oz total

2


Browning 270WSM (8lbs scoped,loaded,sling)

128


Benchmade folding lockback

5


Gerber folding saw

8


Smith pocket knife sharpener

2


cabelas space rain pull over

10


spare ammo

16


spare batteries (AA lithium)

4


black fleece gloves

3


wool gloves

2


firesteel

1


pill bottle of cotton balls covered in vaseline

2


small lighter

1


adventure medical bivy sack

4


100ft 550 paracord

6


Frontier water filter straw

1


vetwrap (pink, also can mark trails)

1


first aid kit

4


headlamps (2) Mammut S-lite AA 1.7oz each

4


trashbags (2) dry bags or packing meat

2


camera (1 between us, 8oz total with AA lithium)

4


rangefinder (with 9V lithium)

11


bipod (stoney point rapid pivot removable)

8


Leupold binoculars & harness

29


Cabelas synthetic down jacket

10


Camelback water bladder (empty)

6


blaze orange windstopper fleece baclava

5


wool socks (2pr)

6


Patagonia Capilene 1 boxers (w/ silvermax)

3


compass

2


Cell phone

5


Total Gear (33.7lbs)

553

food (5lbs)

80

Water (full camelback)

70


Total Weight leaving vehicle

703


43.9lbs
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Old 03-27-2011, 10:07 PM
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Re: Advice on backpack hunt gear list

Hey McSea:

I'm not sure which saw you are talking about. If it is the one in the Sheep list I sent, I think there is a weight listed. As I don't carry a saw, not really sure.

Did you just get the Garmin 130? My buds and I have the 530's. Yes, they cost more, but the color maps are true topo maps, easier to just look at, and the gps itself is much quicker to get a lock.

I have an old 130, and if you want it, I will send it to you to use and then if you want it, we'll work out a price. Also, I mentioned I have a roll of tyvek. If you want some, let me know. I bought the roll for some construction work, and for a ground cloth. I will probably use it again this year, but it is noisy. Light, but noisy.

I also carry the Cabelas Space rain pullover, but the pants are too light duty. I have been using a pair of Browning Waterproof pants.

I am working on my September outfit as you are. I started the day I got home from my trip last year. I am on my second Mont Bell bag although lighter than yours due to where I am hunting. If you are concerned with warmth, and you definitely want to sleep comfortably, you might consider a bivy sack. I recommend not sleeping with your long johns on as they seem to hamper the insulating factors of the bag(IMHO). A sleeping cap is also handy so your breath is out of the bag. Breathing in the bag all night and you will be damp. A damp down bag is like having no bag at all.

On food, a good way to practice, is eat camping type food at home when you are active, and at the same time set aside an equal amount. At the end of your experiments, you will know about what you will require. You will burn more calories in the cold, and depending on the miles you put in. I eat as much as I can during two weeks in Idaho, and am usually 15 lbs lighter when I get home. I would like to start the hunt 15 lbs lighter, but such it is.

I eat 2 oatmeal packets and some old fashioned oatmeal with a carnation instant breakfast thrown in, coffee, maybe a bar of some sort, and some dried fruit for breakfast.
I snack on almonds, dry cherrries, apricots, etc during the day.
I lunch on dry fruit, bars, and usually a tuna in a bag on a pita bread.

More snacks and lots of water.

For dinner, I usually do 2 cup o'soups that I put in ziplocks, pita bread, and whatever else I have....

I use all the Crystal Light drink mixes and others that offer additives. Many different floavors to dress up the water. My bud says he has never seen anyone drink so much water, however I almost never cramp up. I typically carry no more than a quart of water as I know where the water is where I hunt. I will stock up on water in the evening and just got one of those water pouches that lets you scoop up a couple gallons of water if you are near a clear stream. I tried a cheap pouch, liked the idea, but it lasted only one season before leaking. That water of course, must be boiled and therefore is for dinner, breakfast, and bird bathing.

Sorry to run on so long, but elk season is only 5 1/2 months away!

Casey Albert
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Old 03-27-2011, 11:20 PM
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Re: Advice on backpack hunt gear list

Yeah, that list you sent was interesting. That guy has all the gear you could ever need for various conditions.

Jmden sent a post about a saw, that is the one I was refering to.

I'd be interested in your GPS and Tyvek, I'll send you a PM with my address. I don't plan to really rely on the GPS, just nice to have a weatherband, GPS, and 2 way radio all in one if it is needed. With 2 of us hunting out of camp if someone had trouble or an animal down we could radio the other with GPS coordinates.

I like the cabelas pull-over also, but use it under my outer wind layer to protect it. The outer coat will dry quickly when the rain stops. It sure packs small so I have it when I need it. The pants look way to flimsy, I've had good luck with the Frogg's if I get a new pair every couple years. The old ones get retired to the truck or boat, nice to have around.

I have gatorade mix in my food list. I like the flavor of regular gatorade much better than the powder, but it keeps me hydrated well. I drink huge amounts of water also around camp and in the morning so I don't have to carry quite as much. I also take a packet of hot tea mix for warming up each evening. For food I have 2 pop tarts for each morning. Dehydrated fruit, jerky, and cliff bars for daytime, and a 2 serving mountain house meal for each evening. The cliff bars don't taste great but are good fuel and the jerky gets the taste out of my mouth.

I still like the idea of a compact wood stove in the tent for the later season when I hunt. I've spent enough nights camping in rain while fishing that I really like having a way to dry condensation or wet gear. Also if we have to spend time in the tent in bad weather it will be nicer if we have a heat source. If the weather is real nice I can always leave the stove in the truck and carry my alcohol or esbit stove or have an outside fire. Growing up in ranch country where a runaway fire is a disaster I tend to be really cautious about lighting a fire unless I am real certain it can't go anywhere. I love a good campfire as much as anyone, I just want very safe conditions to light it. A couple years ago a grass fire got away and burned up several sections near us. I will never forget getting about 200 cow/calf pairs moved across a creek with the fire coming behind us. We got lucky and didn't lose any.

I'll still need a bag capable of getting through the night after the stove goes out, that is the thing I am having the hardest time deciding on now. I keep weighing weight/warmth/cost trying to figure out what is the best fit for me.

Found a site with an interesting floor option for the floorless tipi designs I'd looked at. Seekoutside has a bathtub style floor sheet that rolls small enough to just fit one sleeper, letting the stove sit in the middle of the 2 beds. They don't have a weight or price on it yet. If the Tyvek works good I won't need it anyway. I won't buy my shelter until them and wildesidesystems get their products finalized, the kifaru is just on the list as a weight reference for now.
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Old 03-27-2011, 11:27 PM
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Re: Advice on backpack hunt gear list

McSea:

Feel free to send me your info.

I have more junk than known to mankind and would love to let some of it out of the bag.

I will be leaving the country again om Thursday, but will let you know when to expect the goods. I have a busy day today, but will try to get down and let you know the width of the tyvek.

Have a great day!

Casey Albert
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Old 03-27-2011, 11:48 PM
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Re: Advice on backpack hunt gear list

Make sure you guys are talking apples to apples as September gear compared to late Oct/Nov gear is typically two different sets of gear up high in the mountains. The wood stove is more likely to let you hunt hard everyday later in the season in cold/wet conditions.

I'm guessing the 12" Dandy saw is 8oz. You'll be happy to pack the extra weight when the woodcutting chores start for later season hunting. I won't pack the weight of the whole head of an animal out, but do cut off the antlers with a bit of skullcap, so the saw goes with me. Everybody has there own way of doing things.
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