Originally Posted by lamiglas
Shawn has taught hundreds of people how to shoot long range. I personally know a a dozen who use his methods and make first round hits consistently past 1000 yards. The method he uses will teach you how to read the wind to make first round hits. Its not hard to shoot at a plate at 1000 yards see that u missed hold over and hit but if u dont stop and try to learn what you missed in your wind call you will continue to miss the first round. saturday my friend and I were shooting 1775 yards. full value wind was 10.25 moa and thats about what we had. how do you hold for that? Just my opinion but if you just wanna make a hit regardless on how many shots dont read the wind just shoot and keep holding over until you hit it. if you wanna learn to make first round hits listen to what shawn has to say. again he has taught a lot of people how to do it very very well. not a pissing contest, and I'm not saying your way does not work for you, but I can tell you for sure that his method is not wrong.
I don't understand your' question, how do I hold for that?? Do you mean do I have enough retcile?? otherwise... easy I look at my ballistic data for the conditions, and we'll assume here that the data is trued and that elevation adjustments are accurate, then hold my wind and make the shot. If I miss, hopefully I see the impact, make my hold correction and before everything changes, make the second shot.
Also just to let you guys know I shoot mil/mil system. So there' is no math involved, what I see in the reticle is what I hold should I miss. I hope that makes sense.
I'm not talking about making half a dozen shots and hoping to land one. My stick is not a area weapon system, it's a precision system, I strive for first round hits.
I dont doubt that it works, but I don't see how one can be effective when dialing in a wind condition that has already happened? Especilally when you stop to "wonder" why you missed. You say that I need to stop to learn why I missed?? I probably missed because the wind call I dialed is the wind that already happened. So now I want to make my second shot why the conditions I just evaluated are the same.
When I usually miss for wind I can tell it's a wind call, hence trying to make the second shot RIGHT NOW, before things change so much that I have to start reading the wind all over again.
It just seems that you're taking your time and working with old data. Why do that? If I'm taking a shot it's to "make" the shot, pausing to see why I missed isn't going to guarantee the next shot, it's just making me work for it all over again.
My point is to make the following shot immediately, you can't do that if dialing wind, well you can but it's not as fast/effective. In essence you're chasing the wind and are hoping that eventually the wind conditions match you're scope dial, that's when you guys make the hit. Sorry but that's backwards, it's not effective.