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Old 01-18-2012, 06:46 PM
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Re: Reading The Wind by Shawn Carlock

Shawn has taught hundreds of people how to shoot long range. I personally know a a dozen who use his methods and make first round hits consistently past 1000 yards. The method he uses will teach you how to read the wind to make first round hits. Its not hard to shoot at a plate at 1000 yards see that u missed hold over and hit but if u dont stop and try to learn what you missed in your wind call you will continue to miss the first round. saturday my friend and I were shooting 1775 yards. full value wind was 10.25 moa and thats about what we had. how do you hold for that? Just my opinion but if you just wanna make a hit regardless on how many shots dont read the wind just shoot and keep holding over until you hit it. if you wanna learn to make first round hits listen to what shawn has to say. again he has taught a lot of people how to do it very very well. not a ******* contest, and I'm not saying your way does not work for you, but I can tell you for sure that his method is not wrong.
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Old 01-18-2012, 07:07 PM
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Re: Reading The Wind by Shawn Carlock

I know it's my first post but I read that and I had to comment on it. No ******* match wanted, just my opinion. I'm sure you'll agree that just because there's more than one way to skin a cat doesn't mean it's correct, so that argument is pretty much a moot IMO. I can slap the trigger all day long and eventually make hits, again that doesn't mean it's correct, can the argument be made that it's a different way of doing it, absolutely.

Maybe it's because you're LE and I'm former military, but I'm curious you really think that mixing how a shooter drives his weapon/scope in the wind is an effective way of shooting? The word consistency comes to my mind and I would hope that we can agree on this much, that an effective shooter is a consistent shooter.

FWIW, I thought the rest of your article was good, but IMO, and I say this with all due respect, your wind/scope management is way off.

Be safe.
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Old 01-18-2012, 07:34 PM
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Re: Reading The Wind by Shawn Carlock

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Shawn has taught hundreds of people how to shoot long range. I personally know a a dozen who use his methods and make first round hits consistently past 1000 yards. The method he uses will teach you how to read the wind to make first round hits. Its not hard to shoot at a plate at 1000 yards see that u missed hold over and hit but if u dont stop and try to learn what you missed in your wind call you will continue to miss the first round. saturday my friend and I were shooting 1775 yards. full value wind was 10.25 moa and thats about what we had. how do you hold for that? Just my opinion but if you just wanna make a hit regardless on how many shots dont read the wind just shoot and keep holding over until you hit it. if you wanna learn to make first round hits listen to what shawn has to say. again he has taught a lot of people how to do it very very well. not a ******* contest, and I'm not saying your way does not work for you, but I can tell you for sure that his method is not wrong.
I don't understand your' question, how do I hold for that?? Do you mean do I have enough retcile?? otherwise... easy I look at my ballistic data for the conditions, and we'll assume here that the data is trued and that elevation adjustments are accurate, then hold my wind and make the shot. If I miss, hopefully I see the impact, make my hold correction and before everything changes, make the second shot.
Also just to let you guys know I shoot mil/mil system. So there' is no math involved, what I see in the reticle is what I hold should I miss. I hope that makes sense.
I'm not talking about making half a dozen shots and hoping to land one. My stick is not a area weapon system, it's a precision system, I strive for first round hits.

I dont doubt that it works, but I don't see how one can be effective when dialing in a wind condition that has already happened? Especilally when you stop to "wonder" why you missed. You say that I need to stop to learn why I missed?? I probably missed because the wind call I dialed is the wind that already happened. So now I want to make my second shot why the conditions I just evaluated are the same.
When I usually miss for wind I can tell it's a wind call, hence trying to make the second shot RIGHT NOW, before things change so much that I have to start reading the wind all over again.
It just seems that you're taking your time and working with old data. Why do that? If I'm taking a shot it's to "make" the shot, pausing to see why I missed isn't going to guarantee the next shot, it's just making me work for it all over again.

My point is to make the following shot immediately, you can't do that if dialing wind, well you can but it's not as fast/effective. In essence you're chasing the wind and are hoping that eventually the wind conditions match you're scope dial, that's when you guys make the hit. Sorry but that's backwards, it's not effective.
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Old 01-18-2012, 08:39 PM
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Re: Reading The Wind by Shawn Carlock

I dont know all there is to know, and It sounds like your methods work for you. I am not saying the way you do it is wrong. I was only saying that his methods definetly work. The way we practice is to read the wind, dial for the shot. Wait for my spotter to give me the go. Then I shoot. My spotter calls hit or a correction. If its a small correction (2 moa) or so, we practice using the reticle and making an immediate follow up shot. for example, if he says 1 minute left I will hold over 1 minute and shoot. Or if I spot my own shot and its close, I use the reticle and immediatly follow up. If he calls for a large correction, or I see a large correction is needed(say the opposite way of my call), I stop shooting because I am less interested in hitting it as I am in trying to learn how we missed the call so bad. When this happens we study it and often find something that explains our miss. We file that away and hopefully the next time we will catch it and make that first round hit. I do agree the quicker the follow up shot the better for making a hit. Have a good one.
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Old 01-18-2012, 08:50 PM
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Re: Reading The Wind by Shawn Carlock

Hey Chief, I see the point of your method as well as Shawn's. In your method there is one part I have a question about. When you brake the shot your rifle recoils moving your crosshairs from from your POA and then you see your impact. Let's say you see the impact 2 mils right. If your crosshairs moved from your POA and you call a 2 mil left correction I don't see how that could be accurate. If your shooting a rifle on a bench that ways 20lbs and is bagged then I see your point but under field conditions with a hunting weight rifle how does this work? Not saying it doesn't work for you just asking you to help me understand it. If your using a spotter that answers it but it didn't sound like you were.
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Old 01-18-2012, 09:33 PM
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Re: Reading The Wind by Shawn Carlock

I've found dialing to be very precise and suited very well for shooting the wind at game animals. I generally monitor the wind movement for quite a while to find the lull or peak of the wind I'm wanting to shoot and watch how it moves over the terrain then dial for the condition I'm shooting. Holding wind just hasn't worked well for me, holding 6 or 8 MOA of takes the riticule of the animal and I loose the bracketing ability that I like and at some of the longer ranges holding is just not precise enough.
If I miss clean on my first shot there won't be a second one and we stop and figure out what went wrong, in the case I hit but am of I hold the same hold and take the spot on the reticule where the bullet hit and use that spot for the hold and send the second one fast for a TKO!!
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Old 01-18-2012, 10:12 PM
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Re: Reading The Wind by Shawn Carlock

Hey shortpants,
I see what you're trying to say and ask. IMO, a solid position behind the rifle is a must to be able to control the rifle and see your impacts. with experience or training one learns how to setup behind the rifle in any position and still achieve a NPA. From there the proper fundamentals are implemented. Even after the trigger has just been pulled we go through the follow through. It's during the follow through that we reacquire our sights and refocus on the threat/target again.

If you built a good shooting position the rifle will recoil in such manner that it will allow you to see the impacts of your shots. It's then that you must hustle to correct and reengage if you miss. If possible it has to be done in the same conditions as the first shot. If you do this I can guarantee your hit's will be much higher.

Maybe this is clearer. Even after taking the shot, when done properly, the shooter will be able to see his hits and make the required corrections for the follow on shot. This technique is a standard technique in the trained tactical community. We have to see that first impact in order to adjust our fire and continue to provide effective shots on out targets. And our position is the key to this. If you don't setup right from the get go, you wont be able to see the hit and now you're behind the curve.

I hope this was a bit more clear. PM me if I confused you. Maybe we can speak on the phone and I can explain it better.



BTW, did i get all the parts to your question?

Sorry for grammar, getting tired.
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