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Precision Reloading For Long Range Hunting by Jerry Teo

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Unread 05-13-2009, 01:53 AM
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Re: Precision Reloading For Long Range Hunting by Jerry Teo

Originally Posted by James H View Post
Excellent article and I am in 100% agreement with most of it.
There are a few things I do different though. I do use a Lee hand primer on occasion but I donít get the feel I get with my RCBS bench primer. Honestly itís to the point that it pisses me off every time I use the Lee primer, but then I have used the RCBS for over 30 years and only got the Lee in the last couple so maybe that has something to do with it.
I like either a full length bushing die or a full length die that has had the neck reamed for the proper neck tension. Like Jerry I do not like having the expander ball pulled through the neck after resizing, it can cause crooked necks.
With moderate loads the Lee collet dies work great but with hot loads the case really needs to be FL sized each time for easy chambering. Jerryís idea of using the body die with the collet die is great though if you want to run the cases through the die twice to resize, and thereís nothing wrong with that. I also do that when using the Redding competition neck sizing die. I also I still use the Lee collet die with a few rifles too. If you load light enough that you donít need to FL size it sure is great to not need to remove resizing lube.
Iíll give this article 5 stars and 2 thumbs up.
Good job Jerry
Great article! I am always looking for more info form those who have been their so to speak!I will look into the lee die versus the RCBS i use. I really like your opinion on testing at longer distances. Ialso have done most practicing/testing at longer distances (400yrds). I have had loads that seemed good at 100 only to find they were not to impressive further out their!
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Unread 05-19-2009, 07:57 AM
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Re: Precision Reloading For Long Range Hunting by Jerry Teo

Hi Jerry, In your article you say the Lee dies give you 4-5 thou neck tension. All my Lee dies are only 2 thou. down from the caliber. I took my 280 die and honed it down to .279 from .282 and I have really good neck tension now. Is this too much? With the 2 thou the die originally had I could move the bullets by hand and had one come out slightly in a magazine. I also took my .257 down to a total of 3 thou and the bullets are really nice and snug. I have searched up and down and most artciles never say anything more than 3 and a found a couple that went as far as 4 thou. Any help would be appreciated. Thanks
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Unread 07-10-2009, 01:15 PM
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Re: Precision Reloading For Long Range Hunting by Jerry Teo

Hello Jerry,
I realy like your informative article. I was just wondering have you tried sorting bullets either by weight or ogave or any other methods. Seems to me this could make a huge difference. Yes I know it is time consuming but results matter. Any suggestions????????

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Unread 07-11-2009, 03:48 PM
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Re: Precision Reloading For Long Range Hunting by Jerry Teo

Love the article. Do you have any experience loading the 243 win. I want to know how the bergers will shoot. And what powder works the best? Thanks
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Unread 07-14-2009, 12:03 PM
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Re: Precision Reloading For Long Range Hunting by Jerry Teo

KrisC, sorry about such a late reply. You are correct, the collet die will size 2 to 3 thou as determined by the mandrel dimension. The process you have used is correct - size just enough for proper function.

ODAVID, I do not measure, sort, weigh my bullets and would avoid any brand, style or lot that requires this level of work. A quality match or hunting bullet should shoot right out of the box - why we are paying a premium.

If the bullet has wonky specs on the outside, what else is wrong? How about the location and balance of the inner lead core? How about the concentricity of the bullet jacket? how about the contact with the core and the boattail?

These we can never measure properly and are at the mercy of how the bullet was made.

I sort my bullets this way - open the box, load up with minimal runout, set up properly for the chamber, go shoot. If they don't shoot to the level I expect, get rid of them.

I have found Berger and Lapua to be consistently accurate. I have shot ALOT of Hornady bullets and they too yield excellent results however, they are not as bughole accurate as the other two brands but your barrel may say otherwise. I plink with Hornady AMax in many of my rifles and they work really well.

darrindlh, I have not shot a 243 but know many that have. The accuracy level is determined souly by the barrel and your ability to match the ammo to it. Bergers have just as good a chance to shoot well as other match quality brand.

Depending on bullet weight, H4831SC, H4350, H1000 would be suitable powders. As with all things handloading, there is only one way to find out.

Burn some powder....

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Unread 07-16-2009, 03:21 PM
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Re: Precision Reloading For Long Range Hunting by Jerry Teo

Greetings ALL... (1st post BTW),
Made a few changes to my bolt and noticed groups got better. Any modified their OEM bolt?
I ask in lieu of David Tubb having a new bolt.
No, I have not purchased one (maybe Christmas).
Typical chamber clearances with hunting rifles have me questioning OD neck turning in light of their design to accept different ammo brand(s) and variations (one size fits all) necessity.
For BR I can understand taking all the steps (including Wilson dies) to find the mark.
I question the effort in lite of my anal BR reload procedures.
If time allows, go forth, anything that keeps the TV cold is a move that is on target.
Greetings to a fine Forum & Website,
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Unread 07-17-2009, 10:27 AM
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Re: Precision Reloading For Long Range Hunting by Jerry Teo

pc, welcome to the site.

As for OD neck turning, I feel it can be beneficial in any chamber. It has nothing to do with chamber fit and everything to do with sizing the brass better.

Bushing dies are becoming very popular. For best results, you need to control the thickness of the necks and in doing this, you also make them even. This will help keep the interior of the sized case also even and concentric helping with seating bullets with low runout.

I have yet to find a tight neck chamber shooting more accurately then a standard neck. After the bullet has left, how much the neck expands before hitting the chamber has little relevance.

But we all know that lowering runout will pay dividends especially with these long VLD bullets.

It is a small thing but it does help...

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