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Precision Hand Loading For Long Range-Chapter One: Brass Sort & Prep By Tres MonCeret

 
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Old 07-27-2010, 03:57 PM
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Re: Precision Hand Loading For Long Range-Chapter One: Brass Sort & Prep By Tres MonC

ok so what die are you using to "bump the shoulder" back .003" ? is it a FL die or something different? Also just cause im interested has anyone measured the difference it makes doing all these processeses and then doing it the old easy way of just resizing and loading? when using top components like berger, nosler brass, norma etc whats the actual accuracy gain from all this extra work. just a conversation and i want to try in the future a little test of this.
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Old 07-28-2010, 07:33 AM
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Re: Precision Hand Loading For Long Range-Chapter One: Brass Sort & Prep By Tres MonC

great!
thank you

with 5 chapters?!
again, great

can you help me with chronograph?

I'm a newbie
and I have problem

yes, this
**sd and es load advice**

but, the readme first paper from chrony

accurary 99.5%... better 1 part in 200= +/- 10 FPS of 2000FPS....0.5% STD ..

and the article

http://www.arcanamavens.com/LBSFiles...Statistics.pdf

PDF, 8 pages

with ES and STD 1 (or 2?) digit...difficult for me with 99.5%

and use 2 chrony (or just one oehler or CED??) for
«
chronograph proof channel tandem
»

thank you

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Old 05-01-2011, 08:16 AM
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Re: Precision Hand Loading For Long Range-Chapter One: Brass Sort & Prep By Tres MonC

Tres, what is the process for setting up a full length resizing die in order to bump the shoulder back .001"? I have the calipers, bump gage, and the proper inserts. Please provide pictures.

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Manny
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Old 07-11-2011, 02:47 AM
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Re: Precision Hand Loading For Long Range-Chapter One: Brass Sort & Prep By Tres MonC

Tres- Good arcticle, thanks!

I've been hand loading for the usual reasons, but I don't often shoot past 400 yards. If I'm lucky, I shoot 1" groups at 300 yards.

But now I see I have been deviating from your stated proceedure.

1) I full case resize. Does this degrade accuracy, or just shorten case life due to full case expansion / compression?

2) I only clean primer pockets with a pocket brush. I don't use the tool to ream them out like that. It the difference measurable?

3) Annealing! I have never done this and it seems like a tedious and tricky process. How much does neck tension typically vary in non-annealed cases??

Has anyone reloaded the same exact loads with cases that have and have not been annealed to determine how much of a difference it makes?

I always figured that differences in the tightness of fit of the bullet from round to round did not present enough friction difference compared to the tremendous pressure building up to move the bullet to make a difference in vel or POI. I can understand that crimping vs. not crimping could change the amount of pressure to get the bullet moving because there you are really increasing the "hold" quite a bit.

Good discussion and thanks for the very informative article!!!
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Re: Precision Hand Loading For Long Range-Chapter One: Brass Sort & Prep By Tres MonC

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ok so what die are you using to "bump the shoulder" back .003" ? is it a FL die or something different? Also just cause im interested has anyone measured the difference it makes doing all these processeses and then doing it the old easy way of just resizing and loading? when using top components like berger, nosler brass, norma etc whats the actual accuracy gain from all this extra work. just a conversation and i want to try in the future a little test of this.

Yes, data on differences with / without annealing, and with / without case weighing please...anyonone?

I've weighed and grouped, but don't have a large enough volume of cases from the same lot # to get 50 rounds of 1 weight (+/- 1 grain), and 50 rounds of another weight, so I just line them up lightest to heaviest in my cartridge case, load em and shoot em in order! I figure heaviest should be faster cuz less capacity = higher pressure faster. I have not been able to determine conclusively that the last 5 of 20 has a different POI than the first 5 but I'm really going to try the next time around.

Obviously, I'm not in a 1K competition, but I do like to shoot as tight groups as I can. There is a point of diminishing returns in all of this!
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Old 11-20-2013, 09:40 PM
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Re: Precision Hand Loading For Long Range-Chapter One: Brass Sort & Prep By Tres MonC

Tres, where can I find one of those gauges to find out where to trim my cases? And from my understanding, the headspace gauges are cartridge specific, so how could I get a headspace gauge for my wildcat?
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