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Optimizing Precision And Accuracy From VLD Bullets By Eric Stecker

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Unread 12-21-2013, 07:52 AM
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Re: Optimizing Precision And Accuracy From VLD Bullets By Eric Stecker

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Gents,
Just bought a Savage 12 LRP - 260 Remington. I'm planning on reloading with VLD 140g, Lapua brass, H4350, and CCI primers. Think I'm go to go, just need help to determine the best method of measuring COAL. Any recommendations would be greatly appreciated. Oh, new to hand loading so, if I ask stupid questions, please bear with me.
This will do it.
Hornady Lock-N-Load Overall Length Gage Bolt Action

You'll need one of these too.
Hornady Lock-N-Load Overall Length Gage Modified Case 260 Remington

Very quick and easy to get your C.O.L. If Midway is out, you can usually find them locally at Sportsmans, Cabela's or your local gun store.
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Re: Optimizing Precision And Accuracy From VLD Bullets By Eric Stecker

Eric,
I so appreciate your responses to the quiz's you get in this forum. Always helpful, even if it comes "after the fact" sometimes, as a reassurance. F. ex. the 4COAL test you mention again, really took so much of the guesswork out of the finetuning I had to do. I shoot a Savage .223 with a 28" Shilen barrel (so I can shoot the 90gr. pills) and a wonderful rifle Kirby Allen built for me in .338AX.
On the latter, I went from what Kirby had used (it was an action he himself had owned/used) - a 300gr. Sierra Matchking - to your 300gr. VLD.
Btw., here is some anecdotal evidence I was told at the range this afternoon: someone had shot a VLD ( I think it was a 190gr.) at a bear (actually two bears at two different times) and the bullet came apart/disintegrated upon impact without penetration. I was too preoccupied to ask more details, which I will if I meet the guys again. Their "take" was that it couldn't penetrate hair (!?) and a couple of inches of fat, but came apart before breaking through into the bear's cavity. I cannot tell you the distance, but the caliber I believe was a .300 Win Mag or .338. I know it's sort of unfair to present you with this info, without the proper details. I want to use the .330/300gr. Elite Hunter myself, for anything from deer, bear to ekl/moose, as I like the idea of having to deal with only one bullet. Anyway, just want to say thanks and look forward to your articles, as well as Brian's.
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Re: Optimizing Precision And Accuracy From VLD Bullets By Eric Stecker

Eric
I just purchased some Berger OTM 250 gr. 338's and I was setting my dummy round up in a 338 RUM by the time I get the bullet deep enough to fit in the magazine. I have very little depth left to play with. Is this how they are designed?
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Re: Optimizing Precision And Accuracy From VLD Bullets By Eric Stecker

I heard 3 guys at my range talking about killing 2 bears at once with a VLD. I can't remember anything else except that they were bitching about over penetration.


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Eric,

Btw., here is some anecdotal evidence I was told at the range this afternoon: someone had shot a VLD ( I think it was a 190gr.) at a bear (actually two bears at two different times) and the bullet came apart/disintegrated upon impact without penetration. I was too preoccupied to ask more details, which I will if I meet the guys again. Their "take" was that it couldn't penetrate hair (!?) and a couple of inches of fat, but came apart before breaking through into the bear's cavity. I cannot tell you the distance, but the caliber I believe was a .300 Win Mag or .338. I know it's sort of unfair to present you with this info, without the proper details. I want to use the .330/300gr. Elite Hunter myself, for anything from deer, bear to ekl/moose, as I like the idea of having to deal with only one bullet. Anyway, just want to say thanks and look forward to your articles, as well as Brian's.
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Re: Optimizing Precision And Accuracy From VLD Bullets By Eric Stecker

How do you go about picking the correct powder charge before you try all the different seating depths ?


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Moman,

Thank you for your kind comments. The best all around 30 cal bullet for elk and deer at long range (an assumption based on your posting on this forum) is the 210 gr VLD. This gives you the most versatility. Admittedly, if you have a shot at a 130 pound deer at 200 yards you will get a massive exit wound but the deer will be on the ground.

Having said that you can achieve success with our lighter (175 gr to 190 gr) bullets on elk. The 210 gr VLD is the best choice if you know you will be shooting at long range (600 yards or more).

All Berger Hunting VLD bullets act differently upon impact than traditional (high weight retention, deep penetration) hunting bulelts. Upon impact the VLD will penetrate 2" to 3" of hide and bone. After the bullet is through this tough surface of the animal it starts to shed its weight. Depending on impact velocity 40% to 80% of the bullets weight will be distributed inside the animal as fragmentation.

This is why our bullets are so deadly on a wide variety of game sizes, bullet weights and impact velocities. This fragmentation deep inside the animal combined with hydrostatic shock tears a wide and deep wound channel inside the vital area of the animal. This tremendous internal destruction usually puts the animal into shock which is why they drop quickly. Those animals that manage to stay on their feet will quickly succumb to loss of blood pressure or major organ failure.

Once the bullet starts to expand (2" to 3" inside the animal) the wound channel will be anywhere from 13" to 18" long. This is definately enough internal damage to put down the largest North American game. Depending on the size of the game you may or may not have an exit wound. Those who like blood trails so they can track the game may not like this but if the animal can't go more than 50 yards then why do you need a blood trail?

On the other hand, those animal that are small enough that you will have an exit wound have far more energy dumped into their internals than they would have if shot by a high weight retension bullet. These traditional bullets are great for going all the way through medium sized game but most of the energy is spent on the ground or in the tree behind the animal.

Ojr,

The 6.5mm 130 gr Hunting VLD is a very popular bullet. Frankly, if you are shooting out to 1,000 yards then the 140 gr is the better option but you mentioned that you won't shoot that far for coyotes.

To get the best answer for your "which bullet is best for a particular application" the person to ask is Bryan Litz at bryan.litz@bergerbullets.com. He can provide a very thorough answer which takes into consideration all your circumstances. I will send him a link to this thread so he can answer publicly.

I am a shot range BR shooter who has many years of experience with the 6PPC and which powders work best for this case. To get the best information on which powder is best for yours (and pretty much every) case contact Kevin Thomas at kevin.thomas@bergerbullets.com. There are a handful of folks on the planet that have as much trigger time with as many components as Kevin has used over the last two decades. I'll send him a link to this thread as well.

Lrhwal,

Sounds like you are on your way to dialing it in. I definately recommend the 4 COAL test listed in the article. It seems like a lot to do at first but if you take the time to load at these 4 different COAL you will quickly find out where your sweet spot is in your rifle. I believe you will soon get the flyers and the large round groups out of your results.

Regards,
Eric
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