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Making A Case For The 308 Winchester By Michael Eichelle

 
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Old 01-19-2011, 09:15 AM
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Re: Making A Case For The 308 Winchester By Michael Eichelle

I purchased a new rifle last year. I was debating caliber of course. My friend qualified as expert in the Marines, but can't seem to make a 30-06 perform for him. Part of that was the Ruger he was using, but even with my rifle he couldn't get tight groups. I'm convinced that it is the recoil. I thought I was immune, but when I started shooting 150 gr 777 with 400 gr bullets in my muzzleloader, I found out I flinch too. Lighter is better from the butt end of the rifle.

Years ago, I decided to simplify my loading bench a little so I chose 7mm caliber for all of my long guns. It has the highest b.c. at a reasonable weight. It will drop anything on this continent. I looked all over for information on using the 7mm-08 for elk and didn't find much encouragement. I should have read this article first.

I bought a 7mm WSM in a 5.5 lb. Browning Mountain Ti. I love it! I had 16 lbs. of XMR 4350, so I was hoping to find a good load using it. It was close to elk season, so I didn't have a lot of time to work up loads. Found a good one that the book said was 2700 fps. using Berger 168 gr bullets. More like a 7mm-08 than a WSM velocity, but accurate, and it kicks like a .270. Off I went to the woods to shoot a bull at 350 yards. Took two steps and rolled down the hill.

I can always load up if I need to, but I'm thinking I don't need to. My barrel will last a long time with this load.

There's a great article about medium velocity terminal ballistics at Trajectory, Meat Damage, and Knock-Down
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Old 03-01-2011, 07:06 PM
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Re: Making A Case For The 308 Winchester By Michael Eichelle

Mike, thanks for making me feel good about the 308. I bought an xs7 marlin, yes its an inexpensive rifle, but my reloads RL15/45 gr and 165 SST Horandys tack a .75 MOA @ 100yds. I can't complain with the accuarcy for the price. Its a basic 308, nothing fancy but accurate none the less. After researching the 308 for months, the choice was easy. I have used the 270 here in VA for deer and find the 130 gr bullets do the job with no problem. But the 270 Win is a grade rifle/wood and I don't care to chew it up in the field anymore. The Marlin with composite stock and beaded barrel is sweet and the trigger sytem works well.

Its a real pleasure to shoot and I would not hesitate at 600yds with it. Its light, easy to handle in the field and I don't for a second doubt the putdown power of it.

Its now my go to. I still love my 270, and may even get another Marlin in 270. Yea they shoot that well.
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Old 03-03-2011, 08:48 AM
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Re: Making A Case For The 308 Winchester By Michael Eichelle

I've seen a lot of guys at the range with custom barrels that couldn't get them to shoot that well. That's darn good for a light and inexpensive rifle.

On a recent Barbary sheep hunt a friend says he can get any rifle to shoot well (cloverleafs at 100 yards) if he tries enough loads. Being retired, he has time to try them.

I shot mine at 385 yards, and had 5" three shot groups. At 500 yards, it was ugly. I'll keep working on it, but I'm confident at 400. Unfortunately didn't see any sheep, so I'll have to wait for next year. I'm going this month for javelina, but I think I'll carry my Contender pistol. It is really light.
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Old 03-03-2011, 09:36 AM
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Re: Making A Case For The 308 Winchester By Michael Eichelle

One can not expect good groups at 500 and 600 yards if they are not getting good groups at 100 and 200 yards. Problems up close are exponential at distance.

Have a mentor who is already doing what you want to do.

A good shooting 308 should be shooting 5 shoot groups in the teens and low 2s and 10 shot groups in the low to mid 3s at 100 yards.

Don't waste your time and money at 500 and 600 yards if you casn't accomplish the above listed standard. You have to walk before you casn run.

Make your self a check list one dealing with the hardware and its issues.

The make yourself a check list for your components.

Track the conditions.

Always have a spotter coach. Alternate the shooter and coach and see if problems get better or worse.

Keep a log of targets and a record of changes.

Nat Lambeth
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Old 03-03-2011, 01:11 PM
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Re: Making A Case For The 308 Winchester By Michael Eichelle

I bought my first .308 about 4 months ago and I love it. I have only been able to shoot paper but i can see the potential it has. It's a Thompson Center Venture with 22" barrel and 5r rifling and 1:10 twist. I am going to start reloading it soon. I currently shoot 168gr sierra matchking and this is usually has the best groups. I was wondering if the 168gr would be good to use on an elk at 400yds? If something would be better please let me know. thanks for all the help
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I bought my first .308 about 4 months ago and I love it. I have only been able to shoot paper but i can see the potential it has. It's a Thompson Center Venture with 22" barrel and 5r rifling and 1:10 twist. I am going to start reloading it soon. I currently shoot 168gr sierra matchking and this is usually has the best groups. I was wondering if the 168gr would be good to use on an elk at 400yds? If something would be better please let me know. thanks for all the help
My opinion on the 168 SMK for elk is not good. My top picks for a 400 yard elk load would be the 165-180 ACCUBONDS, 200 SGK, 168 Barnes or similar bullets. When the new Barnes 175 LRX hits the scene, I think that will be tough to beat.

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Please just answer one very simple question. Why would anyone shooting long range load a low BC , low SD 168 gr offering in a 300 win???????

My answer to this is. The only reason is to make the 7 RM look good. There is no other reason.

Jeff.
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Old 03-03-2011, 02:12 PM
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Re: Making A Case For The 308 Winchester By Michael Eichelle

I shot and eastern NC 615 pound black bear at a measured 880 yards with a 180 Swift Scirocco running 2700 fps from my F-Class rifle. I had a quartering away shot. The bullet entered about 4 ribs back from the shoulder slightly above mid height. The post mortem showed. The bullet entered through the skin, a rib, then the thoratic cavity, ripping through both lungs, the aorta, and exiting the ribs on the far side, where it broke the shoulder blade and rested under the skin on the far side. I recovered the bullet. The recovered bullet was expanded back to about .388 diameter and still weighed 173 grains after washing. The bear trraveled approximately 20 yards some of which may have been gravity down into a 20 foot ditch. The entry wound was about the size of a quarter. The bullet performed as expected. I normally shoot the 150 grain Scirocco for whitetails. I have had the same good luck with Nosler Accubonds but feel the Swift Scirocco has something to add. If I were elk hunting over 200 yards I would prefer my 300 Win Mag. If hunting elk beyond 600 yards I would prefer a 338 Edge. Just my thoughts. A good bullet in the right spot with enough energy to reach the vitals will kill what ever you are shooting. An entry and exit wound with significant wound channel will enhance quarry recovery. As the Great Bob Hagel said there is no such thing as "to much gun or overkill, dead is dead".
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