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Old 01-16-2011, 07:15 PM
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Re: Making A Case For The 308 Winchester By Michael Eichelle

Shooting large game with a bullet with less than 1000 ft# of energy is just wrong.I have .308,.300 savages and wouldn't consider anything over 400 yrd as an ethical shot.A '06 with a long barrel is a little better.I can wring almost .300 w.mag volocities out of a heavy bullet but with the short magazines coupled with the low volume in .308 brass,it isn't practical nor reasonable. I read all the claims for 3000fps for 200 gr. bullets and am just flabbergasted that no other member has challenged them on those claims.Short of blowing up the gun,it isn't possible and I guess the first lier had to be outdone by the rest.Looking at my speer reloader book confirms my last statement and woe to the poor sob who tries to match these liers claims.I think the .308,.307,,300 savage and any other caliber in that range is a great 200 to 300 yd game getter.It beats the pants off of 30/30 and yet that lowly round has accounted for 8 out of 10 deer ever killed.Funny how such a low power,slow bullet could be so effective.Its because most shots are under 150 yds.Simply keeping the range to the power applied to kill HUMANELY.Sure,we hear about the long range shots with low power rounds but they rarely do the job cleanly.I shot 500 yd to 700 yd shots with the '06 but never would take that shot with a .308.Those who claim they can take game cleanly at extended ranges with one are delusional.I wouldn't take a 1000yd shot with an 06,either.Thats why magnums were made for and thats why I use them.If you want to shoot a mile dont use a cap gun. I harvested my 5x5 mule deer on ----------- mt in the okanogan,wa. last season with a 150 gr remington psp corlokt. .300 savage hand load at 160yds.Clean one shot through the lungs and down for the count. No tracking,no following a blood trail.Just walk up and start him rolling down the mountain and drag him to the trailhead.Long range shooting for some but I could have got him at twice that range.If I was covering a longer range I would have moved up to the '06 or some magnum.I like to eat what I shoot so I try to use enough power without losing half the meat.You make the judgement but if you can't handle the recoil,its not likely you are going to hit what you are aiming at so if the .308 is what you can handle then get into a spot that requires you to shoot less than 400 yds.
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Re: Making A Case For The 308 Winchester By Michael Eichelle

I have been considering purchasing a .338, I had one years ago, I am not the premier shot by any means, however, the results I have obtained at the range with the 308 are not impressive. My son-in-law likes the 308 and I can give it to him minus the scope. I appreciate your candor and fast reply.
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Old 01-16-2011, 09:38 PM
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Re: Making A Case For The 308 Winchester By Michael Eichelle

Michael Eichele I love my 308 as well and with the bullets and powder today it is even better. I find myself using it more and more in my hunting. Light recoil, very accurate and very deadly at long range with good shot placement. I have taken game farther with my 300WM out passed 1000yrds, but I find myself more interested in moving a couple hundreds yards closer and using the 308 because it is just a pleasure to shoot.

Thanks for the article it was very good
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Re: Making A Case For The 308 Winchester By Michael Eichelle

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Shooting large game with a bullet with less than 1000 ft# of energy is just wrong.I have .308,.300 savages and wouldn't consider anything over 400 yrd as an ethical shot.A '06 with a long barrel is a little better.I can wring almost .300 w.mag volocities out of a heavy bullet but with the short magazines coupled with the low volume in .308 brass,it isn't practical nor reasonable. I read all the claims for 3000fps for 200 gr. bullets and am just flabbergasted that no other member has challenged them on those claims.Short of blowing up the gun,it isn't possible and I guess the first lier had to be outdone by the rest.Looking at my speer reloader book confirms my last statement and woe to the poor sob who tries to match these liers claims.I think the .308,.307,,300 savage and any other caliber in that range is a great 200 to 300 yd game getter.It beats the pants off of 30/30 and yet that lowly round has accounted for 8 out of 10 deer ever killed.Funny how such a low power,slow bullet could be so effective.Its because most shots are under 150 yds.Simply keeping the range to the power applied to kill HUMANELY.Sure,we hear about the long range shots with low power rounds but they rarely do the job cleanly.I shot 500 yd to 700 yd shots with the '06 but never would take that shot with a .308.Those who claim they can take game cleanly at extended ranges with one are delusional.I wouldn't take a 1000yd shot with an 06,either.Thats why magnums were made for and thats why I use them.If you want to shoot a mile dont use a cap gun. I harvested my 5x5 mule deer on ----------- mt in the okanogan,wa. last season with a 150 gr remington psp corlokt. .300 savage hand load at 160yds.Clean one shot through the lungs and down for the count. No tracking,no following a blood trail.Just walk up and start him rolling down the mountain and drag him to the trailhead.Long range shooting for some but I could have got him at twice that range.If I was covering a longer range I would have moved up to the '06 or some magnum.I like to eat what I shoot so I try to use enough power without losing half the meat.You make the judgement but if you can't handle the recoil,its not likely you are going to hit what you are aiming at so if the .308 is what you can handle then get into a spot that requires you to shoot less than 400 yds.
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Re: Making A Case For The 308 Winchester By Michael Eichelle

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Shooting large game with a bullet with less than 1000 ft# of energy is just wrong.I have .308,.300 savages and wouldn't consider anything over 400 yrd as an ethical shot.A '06 with a long barrel is a little better.I can wring almost .300 w.mag volocities out of a heavy bullet but with the short magazines coupled with the low volume in .308 brass,it isn't practical nor reasonable. I read all the claims for 3000fps for 200 gr. bullets and am just flabbergasted that no other member has challenged them on those claims.Short of blowing up the gun,it isn't possible and I guess the first lier had to be outdone by the rest.Looking at my speer reloader book confirms my last statement and woe to the poor sob who tries to match these liers claims.I think the .308,.307,,300 savage and any other caliber in that range is a great 200 to 300 yd game getter.It beats the pants off of 30/30 and yet that lowly round has accounted for 8 out of 10 deer ever killed.Funny how such a low power,slow bullet could be so effective.Its because most shots are under 150 yds.Simply keeping the range to the power applied to kill HUMANELY.Sure,we hear about the long range shots with low power rounds but they rarely do the job cleanly.I shot 500 yd to 700 yd shots with the '06 but never would take that shot with a .308.Those who claim they can take game cleanly at extended ranges with one are delusional.I wouldn't take a 1000yd shot with an 06,either.Thats why magnums were made for and thats why I use them.If you want to shoot a mile dont use a cap gun. I harvested my 5x5 mule deer on ----------- mt in the okanogan,wa. last season with a 150 gr remington psp corlokt. .300 savage hand load at 160yds.Clean one shot through the lungs and down for the count. No tracking,no following a blood trail.Just walk up and start him rolling down the mountain and drag him to the trailhead.Long range shooting for some but I could have got him at twice that range.If I was covering a longer range I would have moved up to the '06 or some magnum.I like to eat what I shoot so I try to use enough power without losing half the meat.You make the judgement but if you can't handle the recoil,its not likely you are going to hit what you are aiming at so if the .308 is what you can handle then get into a spot that requires you to shoot less than 400 yds.
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Len doesn't like ethics being brought up in his forums.
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pcat, dont condem 308 fans for what they use and they will offer you the same courtesy. I use a couple of different weapons to accomplish what I like to do. The 308 is simply my favorate and what I have had the most success with. For the record, I have never lost a big game animal to the 308 past 200 yards. I like to eat what I shoot as well, hence the reason I love my 308's. They are scary accurate. An expanding bullet in the boiler room is all that is needed. I have a few over 700 yards and one nearly 800. It works for me and it can work for anybody else willing to use the right bullets and powder. Dont feel confident with it? Then dont use it. Use what you like and I will use what I like. Some guys like those jacked up trucks with big mud tires and the big block engine. Others enjoy better fuel ecomomy and versatility.

BTW, I have never heard of anybody running 200 grain pills at 3000 FPS in a 308. Thats a new one. I am with ya though. If I ever heard a user state that, I would call him on it.
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Old 01-17-2011, 09:34 AM
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Re: Making A Case For The 308 Winchester By Michael Eichelle

Mike thanks for the info on the 208 A-Max just picked some up going to give them a try
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Re: Making A Case For The 308 Winchester By Michael Eichelle

Hi again Michael

1. With the 308 in mind, I was wondering to what degree does one adjust the loads with powder, primers and grain of bullet and twist for different lenght of barrels...? I' prefer the heavy end of bullet weight and probably thinking along the lines of 1 in 10" twist, unless you think there are additional considerations.

2. And how does the length of the barrel affect the velocity, and accuracy...?
3. And as a barrel gets longer does that imply the need for a heavier contour barrel?

I suppose I'm thinking that at some point a given barrel lenght might be more considered an "acceptable" practical hunting rifle; where after a certain length of barrel we would be definitately referring more to a Long Range Rifle.

So for practical reasons I will refer to an even number of inches for barrel lengths, as most of what I have seen on various Rifle internet sites usually shows an even number for barrel lengths. So, with this in mind, the following suggested barrel lengths may be the simplest way for you to address this question. For example starting with a 20 inch barrel then a 22", 24", 26" 28" and 30" which seems to be the longest sold by some factory guns out there like Savage and Browning. (Although I'm sure someone has made one longer). Generally, How does the length affect all of the areas of performance that I have mentioned above...?

Your comments are appreciated.

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