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Making A Case For The 308 Winchester By Michael Eichelle

 
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Old 12-27-2009, 06:28 PM
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Re: Making A Case For The 308 Winchester By Michael Eichelle

Good reading. I'm a fan of the 308 own one and use it. One can not though minimize that some success or not on large game at great distances lies with the shooters ability too.
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Re: Making A Case For The 308 Winchester By Michael Eichelle

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Which rifle scope combination are you using the most/favorite for long range shots on game ? I know you need plenty of elevation for .308 208 Amax over 600 yards
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Which rifle scope combination are you using the most/favorite for long range shots on game ? I know you need plenty of elevation for .308 208 Amax over 600 yards
Mostly either the Mark4 fixed power but I also use an NXS 5.5-22x50 at times. Both will make 1K with ease.
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Re: Making A Case For The 308 Winchester By Michael Eichelle

Thanks Mike

Yes I have that NXS and you are right it is quite nice
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With the shorter factory barrel I would recomend starting with powders on the faster side of the 308 spectrum such as RL-12, Benchmark, H4895, VV-N530 etc....You could try RL-15 and Varget if those dont work, but H4895 and similar should work well.

As far as which Berger, it is a hard question for me to answer. Your rifle may not like the best one for the job. Also, the VLD's typically works best with higher impact velocities. This doesnt work well with a 308 espescially a short barrel 308 for long range hunting.

For mule deer or elk, I would be looking hard at the 168 or 175 VLD. They are a good balance between weight, mass and BC with a decent starting velocity (2600-2700 FPS for the 175's and 2750-2800 for the 168's) This would get you somewhere in the 500 yard+ ball park for reliable terminal effects with the VLD. If you work up a good load with the 168 SMK, then I would get the 168 VLD's and work the charge weight up and down SLIGHTLY and/or the seating depth to duplicate the SMK load.

Let us know what happens!
What powder(s) are you using? The starting loads/vel. you are listing for the 168/175 vld's appear to be max loads with most powders.
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With the shorter factory barrel I would recomend starting with powders on the faster side of the 308 spectrum such as RL-12, Benchmark, H4895, VV-N530 etc....You could try RL-15 and Varget if those dont work, but H4895 and similar should work well.

As far as which Berger, it is a hard question for me to answer. Your rifle may not like the best one for the job. Also, the VLD's typically works best with higher impact velocities. This doesnt work well with a 308 espescially a short barrel 308 for long range hunting.

For mule deer or elk, I would be looking hard at the 168 or 175 VLD. They are a good balance between weight, mass and BC with a decent starting velocity (2600-2700 FPS for the 175's and 2750-2800 for the 168's) This would get you somewhere in the 500 yard+ ball park for reliable terminal effects with the VLD. If you work up a good load with the 168 SMK, then I would get the 168 VLD's and work the charge weight up and down SLIGHTLY and/or the seating depth to duplicate the SMK load.

Let us know what happens!
Michael,

The Sierra Bullet's were 175 match kings, I loaded them with H4895 and 10k off the lan's. Charge wt. of 40gr, 41gr,42gr, and 43gr. three rounds per group and each group is touching. What a great combo, thanks for the info.

How will the 175 mk do as a hunting bullet? I also shot some factory Nosler 165gr Accubond and had 2 touching and one just off. This rifle is fun to shoot.

I just recieved the load data from Berger so I will work up the loads for the 168's this weekend.

Thanks for pointing me in the right direction

Steve
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What powder(s) are you using? The starting loads/vel. you are listing for the 168/175 vld's appear to be max loads with most powders.
RL-17, VV-N540 and VV-N550.

With RL-17, I have seen unbelievable velocities with 168's through the 210's. I have personally shot the 208 AMAX at 2730 FPS and the 168 AMAX over 2900. This was a bit warm though. Since, RL17 is a fairly chuncky powder, I cannot get the needed charges in the case and seat bullets to a magazine compatible length. I switched to VV-N550 for the heavy bullets such as the 200 SGK and the 208. I use VV-N540 for 190's down to the 168's. With N550, I have run the 208 at 2700 but is warm. 2650 is better but my accuracy is at 2610. For the 168 and 178, 46 and 45 grains of N-540 has been the shizzle.

Hope that helps!

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