Originally Posted by Michiganhunter
Just bought a Ford F-550 4x4 Diesel for a car hauling rig. Sure hate to see the posts from guys like MN Hunter....Want to sell my GM so I can buy a Tundra. My Grandfather was attacked by a bunch of gutless scum in a place called Pearl Harbor. He survived, and retired from a company called Ford Motor Company. I will not watch Bass Pro's next generation, stopped being a member of B.A.S.S. from which I was a member since I fished in San Diego as a teen, and young adult. If I was not an NHL addict, I would boycott them too, as they are sponsored by Toyota/Lexus? You guys keep telling yourselves that they are "made in the U.S." but I'll keep calling you all sell outs, because their bank accounts are in Japan. Just my opinion. Oh yeah, I'm the guy with the bumper sticker that says "how dare you fly my country's flag, on your forign car"? By the way, I am not, nor ever was a U.A.W. worker....Just proud of my family who were.
Good post, but there's a lot more to what your saying than what you implied. There are actually two different contant notices on the invoice (some folks are so ashamed of them that they virtually hide them). The content notice that most folks see is the actual labor on assembly, and not parts content. A Toyota truck will have a much higher parts content than you might at first think, and a Ford half ton truck will have a lower parts content than you might at first think. The Parts content is what really counts, and you have to know how they manipulate that as well. Does this mean that a Toyota Tundra is a U.S. made truck by Federal spec? Yes and no. It's actually higher than the Ford in case you all didn't know. Ford outsources their forgings and electronics to China and Vietnam. Frames are all made by Dana; no matter what brand name. They all stamp their own bodies, and make their own engines (gas) and transmissions. The third members come from Dana most of the time (not sure about Toyota). But the parts inside their engines come from all over the place, and China is high on their list. (both brands). G.M. is very similar to Toyota in that they stamp their own bodies and Dana supplies the chassis. G.M. does cut their own pistons and cranks, and probably does 85% of the internals in the transmissions. Nobody does those fancey mag wheels, and much of them are made over seas. Nobody does glass anymore, but at least the big three have it done in country. Most of the fabric for the seats is woven in PA for the big three. Asia for the rest. G.M. still manufactures all it's seat frames. Where Chrysler and Ford get theirs done is anybody's guess. Toyotas come from Korea and China. Depending on the model number, the electronic throttles are either souced in the midwest or Asia for all brands except Toyota.
here's kinda what the so called made in USA really is:
* Ford outsources right at 70% of their parts. Of that 70%, roughly 65% is made over seas (The Toyota ad told the hard numbers)
* G.M. does about 73% of their parts in house, and this is down from slightly over 85%. Of the 27% outsourced parts, about a third of these are made over seas
* Chrysler is similar to Ford untill you get into the heavy duty models. A strait stick deisel truck will have a higher parts content than a deisel Ford. In the near future Dodge will start using the Asian automatic in it's heavy duty trucks. This is an Allison AT542 transmission built on license. In the next five years Dodge will use the Allison transmission built by Allison (not G.M. Powertrane). Of course the deisel used by Dodge is built entirely in Indiana.
* Toyota does not make a heavy duty truck, but their half tons run in the 50% to 60% content.
In roughly three years Allison will be selling automatics to whoever wants one. Right now they can't by contractual agreement with G.M. Dodge has alread said they will go with the Allison at the end of the agreement. Ford is still bound and determined to build a heady duty automatic. So far they're not very good. They'd be much better off with the ZF gear box or the AT542 from Asian. Engine wise the Dodge is by far the best (deisel), and they will be offering a half ton deisel very soon (25mpg) that has about 465 ft. lb. of torque. G.M. is on their third complete redesign of their deisel, and looks like they've got it right for a change (cost several billion to make it right). Ford killed Navstar, and decided to build their own engine. No automobile company over here has ever made a good deisel right out of the box, and this will end up being a very expensive lesson to learn. Their new engines are only seeing about 15mpg on the highway right now. Transmission shops love Ford when it comes to trucks I might add. Toyota has made some inquiries to Cummins over the last couple years, but Chrysler owns that engine lock stock & barrel.
There are some new tricks comming down that will had anywhere from three to five mpg on a truck (some are seeing eight). But even they are a solid two years out. And they are just now tooling the parts right now.
Someone posted that they have about 150K miles on a Ford deisel truck. You just got it really broken in! That motor should go about 300K+ miles. We have seen Cummins six's go well over 750K without anything being done to them other than the normal stuff. Mobile One is not the best oil to run in a deisel! Castroil is. We ran test on just about everykind of oil out there, and this was the best period. Also buy the best oil and fuel filters you can buy. Baldwin makes the best. I'll tell you all about engines on the dyno some other time