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Do You Hunt With A Muzzleloader?

 
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Old 06-12-2012, 08:30 PM
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Re: Do You Hunt With A Muzzleloader?

Awesome site. There seems to be as much a learning curve with muzzleloading as rifles even though there are only single shots and double barrels. I have a hard time deciding what angle to pick from. I don't like the smelliness of them at the range, so that is one consideration. Any more thoughts on that?

I see walk and stalk or tree stands, ambush spots most attractive, kind of like bow hunting but with more range and distances, say up to 150 yards. Typical shot 10-75 yards. I want open sights primarily. Then maybe a longer range option like the savage. If Savage, Savage ML versus ML2, any info on the differences?

Thanks,
Ed
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Old 06-12-2012, 09:32 PM
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Re: Do You Hunt With A Muzzleloader?

cuda; I think if you had read my last message I mentioned Dougs site. Randy wakeman is someone Ive seen from time to time along w/ all the dislikes about him that people write. personally I only take what works for me and Randy Wakeman may have some problems that people dont like like his cockyness and being a no it all but he does know alot about muzzleloaders and how they operate. I take the stuff I need to use and put it to work for me. I use alot of different info out there and wakeman has been apart of my learning process. I am more than aware of Dougs message board thats old news and I still visit from time to time. Toby Bridges is just another one w/ the same problems but one would be a fool if you said he did not know what he was talking about, just like wakeman. Take all the learning you can even when it may come from someone you may not like. Who is randy wakeman, ive never even seen the man. I do know he knows his buisness, and if you doubt that you better get back to the basics because if you dont know it then what do you know. I'll end there and the next time someone ask me a question like etis1140 did regarding the savage I'll send them to you.
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Old 06-12-2012, 09:49 PM
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Re: Do You Hunt With A Muzzleloader?

Hey Cuda, if you read my last message accurately you would have seen that i already mentioned Dougs message board. Good thing your of such help. I was just trying to help out etis1140 when he asked me about savages. I sent him in the direction that to my knowledge knows the best about them and thats wakeman and Dougs site. If you think wakeman dont know his buisness when it comes to this subject then your knowledge of muzzleloading needs work. I know alot of people dont like Randy Wakeman or Toby bridges but one would be a fool to not take advantage of accurate info when it's offered. I was only trying to point someone in a good direction but the next time someone asks about the savage I'll send them to you, hows that.
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Old 06-12-2012, 11:19 PM
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Re: Do You Hunt With A Muzzleloader?

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meatyrem, yes I am familiar w/ chrony to a certain degree. Ballistics are very important part of my muzzleloading. The chrony is set close as to never hit the thing w, your projectile. The sabot portion of the test is past tense as the reading will take the first thing through. I would keep it level and approx. 3 to 5 feet in front of the muzzle. Thats what there talking about when they talk FPS at the muzzle, and of course then 50 yards, 100 yards fps and so on. Let me know if you have a few bullets your wondering about and I'll give you the readings. I will need size of bullet, how much powder and what powder. I have a list w/ just about every muzzleloader bullet ballistics going. Let me know if you need anything. Also, I am a blackhorn 209 user and have no idea of this Alliant powder. I thought it was around for along time now. I am not sure. Blackhorn is pricy but I believe it to be the best around and very close to smokeless specs. I just like the shot after shot no cleaning after every shot idea. It's very powerful and consistent. I love the fact that the breech plug never gets stuck anymore and also the only thing needed on the plug is white teflon tape wrapped once around. This too gives it a nice seal w/ no blow back. It's just a good product in my opinion. Oh , I want to mention for all savage intrested , that Dougs muzzleloader forum is a site that is ALL die hard Savage muzzleloader hunters. Check it out. I'll get back later tonight after work approx. 11:00 pm. Thanks for allowing me to share.
I too am hooked on Blackhorn and love it. Do you have info on the Barnes TMZ 250gr? I have an Encore pro-hunter 28" ss barrel. Mine likes a tight fit ( bullet to bore ). I talked to someone who likes the Barnes too but he likes the 290gr and says it is way better than the 250gr.
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Old 06-13-2012, 05:57 AM
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Re: Do You Hunt With A Muzzleloader?

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SNIP.

If Savage, Savage ML versus ML2, any info on the differences?

Thanks,
Ed
The original Savage ML was a converted centerfire rifle that used a cartridge like module for priming.
The BATF ruled that it needed to be sold through a firearms dealer and not through the mail since you could change the barrel and re-convert it to a centerfire rifle.
The original rifles were grandfathered as a ML.

The ML-II does not have locking lugs on the bolt or receiver so can't be converted to centerfire, and they made a bolt nose to accept a 209 primer directly.

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Old 06-13-2012, 06:07 AM
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Re: Do You Hunt With A Muzzleloader?

Mr edge,

Thank you. That basic description says it all. I actually know what locking logs are, so I can see how they differ.

My friend has a Savage ML and loves it. He uses some powder called "white hot?" I'll have to ask him again. But his is really accurate and great velocity. Also, he says he rarely has to clean the barrel. I assume it's not smokeless powder but I see why the ML is desirable. They seem pretty safe, either one of them.

Thanks again,
Ed

PS, I'm 54 but I still stay Mr. occasionally!
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Old 06-13-2012, 07:37 AM
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Re: Do You Hunt With A Muzzleloader?

It is just edge, no Mr. needed here

If you want smokeless then the next question would be if you like to shoot and tinker with loads or do you want to pick it up just before the season to check zero, hunt for a week and then put it away for a year?

If you are the former then definitely check out Doug's.

If you are the latter then randy wakeman is not to bad to listen to.
He won't put you onto a hotrod load but will send you into the direction of quick, easy shooting with a minimum of fuss using mainly Savage recommended loads.

Now Doug's is more into tinkering and modifying rifles and loads. Advice on swapping barrels to 45 caliber, and converting other platforms such as the Handi-Rifle, Remington, Savage Marlin centerfire rifles into ML's.

The Savage out of the box is a nice clean shooter that rarely needs to be cleaned which is nice when you shoot a deer and don't feel like cleaning the rifle and don't want to worry about rust.

edge.
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