Originally Posted by waltercrouse
I would pick Barnes , I hunt in aarea which requires the use of copper only bullets. I not happy with the new nosler green tip copper bullets. I feel that the green tips are to soft. I had to reduce the powder charge, showing pressure signs.
I tend to agree, though haven't used any Nosler or Hornady all-copper bullets yet. I did attempt to use the older, non-banded Barnes including the old blue XLC and was not successful in getting them to shoot. The Barnes TSX/TTSX seems to have solved that problem as some of the better / hotter loads I've been shooting have been with them.
Interestingly, I have not been able to improve on Barnes new VOR-TX factory fodder. With them I have been getting as good or better velocities than I care to handload, and accuracy has been outstanding.
Barnes bullets seem to shoot best in my rifles when seated well away from the lands. I built the .375 H&H shooting the expanded bullets in the photo to accept a loaded OAL of 3.8" with Wyatts Extended Mag Box. Had Kevin Wyatt machine the receiver and I monkeyed with the bolt stop and ejector length for a week to make it 100% reliable on dangerous game.
Seating the 300 and 350 .375 TSX to the lands results in an OAL of 3.775" in a SAAMI standard H&H chamber with the TSX's. The leade is so long to accommodate round nose solids. Multiple attempts to get TSX (outfitter insisted on them for buffalo) handloads to shoot sub-moa when the bullets were seated to 3.720" (0.055" away) were unsuccessful.
All this was for naught, as VOR-TX Safari factory loads with an OAL of 3.348" nearly cloverleaf and do it at 2650 fps in this, my pet 26" barreled and breaked "375 M70 Dragonslayer" with almost 1/2" (0.427") of freebore! So much for seating them into the lands...
It is not a fluke. Another 24" Kimber 8400 Captiva I use clocks 2550 or so with the same load and the groups are just a tad bigger, just over an inch, certainly adequate for dangerous game.
I can keep going. I have a .300 RUM with an 26" 5R Bartlein barrel that shoots the Barnes VOR-TX TTSX 180 factory better and faster as well. I'm sitting here looking at a 0.610" 5-shot group at 200 yards I fired with it last summer. Clocked 3375 fps at 10 feet even though it says 3250 on the box. Haven't come near the loading bench for it since. I just wish all of the factory stuff was like this.
I know this sounds like a Barnes ad but it really comes from the surprise I got when, after years of less-than-satisfactory attempts to make the all-coppers shoot in a variety of big-game rifles, they finally came out a winner. I have to say, though, the 260 Noslers continue to be a great choice in the .375 @ 2800 fps. for thin-skinned game, and the 160 Accubonds @ 2950 fps (62/H4831 OAL 3.462", .030" gap) in my .280 AI are half-moa as far as I can shoot well, better than anything I was able to do with the TTSX so far this year.