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View Poll Results: Which is the better hunting bullet?
Barnes TSX/TTSX 417 61.05%
Nosler Partition 266 38.95%
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Barnes TSX/TTSX vs Nosler Partition

 
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Old 09-09-2013, 06:42 PM
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Re: Barnes TSX/TTSX vs Nosler Partition

And they further state that the current ban which hunters have been 99.9% compliant has not had a measurable effect yet that if they get rid of all lead ammo the problem will be solved. I don't quite get it.

Following this section they talk about all animals in the food chain being affected by lead, inferring that the next logical move would be a complete ban of hunting with bullets containing lead.

These results are especially pertinent given recent regulatory
efforts in California to mitigate the lead exposure hazard to
California condors by partial bans of lead ammunition use in
condor habitat (39, 40). Although these regulations have been
in place for only a few years, we looked for evidence that they
had impacted the prevalence of lead poisoning in California
condors. We compared blood lead levels in birds in 2006-2007
(preban) with levels in 20092010 (postban) and found no in-
dication that blood lead levels had declined in 20092010 com-
pared with 20062007, suggesting that, at
least thus far, the regulations to help reduce lead exposure in
condors have not been effective.
Here, we describe a situation in which intensive ongoing man-
agement efforts conceal the lack of true recovery of a critically
endangered species. Despite the recovery efforts for the California
condor, this species is not on a trajectory to a self-sustaining
wild population. Our demographic model clearly illustrates
that, without reduced lead poisoning, the California condor
will require extraordinary management efforts in perpetuity
to avoid again declining to extinction in the wild. Additionally,
our analyses show that, if the lead exposure hazard is removed
and thus lead deaths are halted or severely reduced, California
condors could once again achieve a sustainable wild popula-
tion. Although we present work only on condors in California,
the condor populations in Arizona and Baja California are also
experiencing impacts from lead poisonings.
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Old 09-15-2013, 09:37 AM
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Re: Barnes TSX/TTSX vs Nosler Partition

When we first started hunting elk in the late 1970's I was afraid of using my reliable Sierra Gameking bullets. We had no experience with elk and only knew they took a lot of killing. So I went to work loading for five different 30-06 rifles using the Nosler Partition. I have never been so frustrated in my life. All five rifles using six or seven different powders, OAL and not one of the load/powder/rifle combinations would group better than a shotgun at 100 yards. Those Noslers at that time were the premium bullet and were outrageously expensive compared to the Gamekings. I would never again try the Nosler bullets. The Gamekings were accurate but I was concerned when all I ever found in the elk was the bottom of the cup somewhere in the animal with no exit at all.
Fast forward to six years ago. My brother bought a new elk rifle. Kimber Model 84 325WSM. Based on information gathered on forums started with Accubonds, Sirocos(sp?) and TTSX's. Only bullet that remotely printed a group was the TTSX.
I also started a new gun project several years ago. Remington SPS 300RUM. I knew after watching my brother send a lot of expensive bullets into the dirt at the range, I wasn't going to try anything other than the TTSX bullet.
I am a firm believer that accuracy is the starting point of bullet usefulness. If you can't hit it, it doesn't matter what your terminal performance with the inaccurate bullet actually does. If I can't make it shoot I don't use it.
On all of the elk and deer that we have shot with the Barnes bullets, we have recovered one bullet that was picture perfect, petals etc. and everything else complete pass through. Bullet size going in and seemingly fist size coming out. I know that we have not lost any animals using the Barnes bullet and have never had anything less than rivers of blood for the sometimes short tracking.
Elk are tough to kill. I don't think that there is any rifle/cartridge combination that will 100 percent of the time drop an elk in its tracks. I believe that based on whether the elk know you are there, if they excited or just completely unaware that you are there will often make the shot more or less lethal.
Bullet placement will ALWAYS be more important than bullet design.
Someone else said it but I believe this: "The only interesting rifle is an accurate rifle".
My two cents worth.
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Old 09-17-2013, 09:53 AM
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Re: Barnes TSX/TTSX vs Nosler Partition

Thanks for the write up 19elkhunter51, it was a good read!

I have also had very horrible experiences with the partitions! With the Barnes bullets they have never let me down! My 375rum loves them along with my 338wm and 270win. All three rifles will always shoot Barnes!
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Old 09-23-2013, 07:47 PM
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Re: Barnes TSX/TTSX vs Nosler Partition

I have killed 6 bulls with the 180 gn ttsx in my 300 win, shots from 50 yard out to 611 yard,knocked every one of them dead
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Old 09-29-2013, 07:00 PM
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Re: Barnes TSX/TTSX vs Nosler Partition

I have been very happy with the Barnes 185 TTSX out of my 338-06 on mule deer and elk both
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Old 09-29-2013, 08:00 PM
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Re: Barnes TSX/TTSX vs Nosler Partition

What I would like is a 1 in 7" twist 224 barrel with a Wilde chamber 223/5.56 so I can shoot the 70 gr. 224 TSX at 3,000. That would make a good all around light rifle.
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Old 10-02-2013, 05:32 AM
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Re: Barnes TSX/TTSX vs Nosler Partition

I shoot the most accurate bullet for that particular rifle.
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