Originally Posted by Fiftydriver
Would you be willing to tell us when you designed your 338 Improved????
Sounds like your implying that I copied your design. Are you just looking to start a fight like usual or are you just that oblivious to your comments?
All of my Allen Magnums and Allen Xpress chamberings have the very same shoulder angle and body taper. The original design was drawn up around 2000. I did not have any idea who you were at that time or if you had any wildcat designs.
There are dozens of Improved versions of the 338 Lapua out there. Because another one comes out in no way means that the new design was copied off anything else.
Anyway, your comments seems to be on the same track you always seem to take. How would like me saying that your beloved aluminum tipped bullets came out right after another maker started making and testing aluminum tipped bullets. Bet that would get your panties in a bunch......
Your lack of respect would normally suprise most but its becoming pretty common around here.
You must have your jock strap up around your ears..... Loosen up a little because you are going to cut the circulation off and loose that thing....... I am just trying to help one of your potential customers that did not get information back from you when he requested it. I realized you were probably out of town and I agreed to send him some cases to use as dummy rounds......
The first Lapua reamers I had were made based on the original no headstamp casings prior to Lapua coming out with the 338 Lapua in the USA. Manson made the reamers so the smith could chamber the rilfe.
I remember Ken Rhyne showing some of the no headstamp cases to me in the spring of 1992-1993 at Bucaneer Gun club in Wilmington NC and I believe that David Tooley was working on a design around that time as well. I also remember trading some of them to Bill Shehane in 94-95 for a Nightforce scope at a 1000 yard match in Virginia........ At that same match, I sold some to a sniper instructor from the US State Department and then several years later he turned one of the procument officers from the Air Force on to them and I sold some to them for testing and evaluation. Again, all these were the no headstamp casisngs......
The follow on reamers were 98-99 by Pacific tool and again based on the original cases without the Lapua headstamp.
I know you did not directly copy mine and it really does not matter because as you said there are many different designs out there. FWIW, I have given the print to everyone who requested it. I even sent it to Australia for those guys. I just said that the ones we had were first and they were.
The latest version was done before Pacific tool used computer readouts to print the reamers.... Specifically, there are several hand written numbers in the "boxes" that we had to fill out and fax back to Pacific tool for review and verification.... I am sure you have seen those.
With regard to the aluminum tipped bullets, I don't know when RG Henson drew up the plans. I did not design them but it is a super idea. I do know that he had to use a die on the Gen I .338s and .30s that were not designed for the Aluminum tips...... Who knows, maybe he preceeded the Wildcat design but I do not know.
However, since Wildcat bullets failed to deliver them as promised (for whatever reason), it would be hard to claim that someone used one of theirs as an example. I have never seen one of the infamous Wildcat Aluminum tipped bullets. As far as I am concerned they are like the Easter Bunny, Santa Claus and the Boogey Man as they just don't exist.