Carpetman2, all my friends as well as myself have been trying to find these bullets. We have searched from sporting stores from Ca., Iowa, NM, and our home state of Az. No one has them and they all want you to order on a waiting list, cash up front. I have enough for my elk hunt loaded, but after that I am out. The other guys are in worse shape than I. Must be a VERY popular bullet. Good luck.