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Old 06-03-2013, 08:39 AM
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Re: Smith has had my rifles for 2+ years. Losing patience...

Might have to just tell him "I'm coming over (in say a week) to pick up my guns in what ever condition they're in". Tell him you'll pay him for what's already done but want a refund for what's not. Maybe he'll finish them, maybe he won't but at least you can take them to someone else. At this point (IMO), it's no longer about the money.

I too have had my share of excessive wait times, as compared to the quote given by the Smith. It seems like a large percentage of Smiths are taking in firearms and sitting on them with no regard to the quote given to the Customer. I've dealt with 3 different Smiths in the last several years. One I had to give the above ultimatum to, one I still don't have the rifle (3 month quote and it's been 7 months) and the other was right on time with short waits but he didn't offer full services. Smithing's sorta becoming a seedy business.
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Old 06-03-2013, 11:06 PM
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Re: Smith has had my rifles for 2+ years. Losing patience...

One of the ways I learned to speed up a gunsmith on a rebarrel was to learn how to remove my own barrels and strip my own action and bolt.
That way all I gave the gunsmith back then was the bare bolt , bare action and new barrel . From that point it's a very easy job for them and they can't loose any small parts or swap any parts for worn ones . Of course my next step was my own lathe . Even if I am rougher than a professional gunsmith , it is just way more satisfying and far less drama .
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Old 06-04-2013, 10:18 AM
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Re: Smith has had my rifles for 2+ years. Losing patience...

Thanks, everyone, for your advice. My thinking tracks closely with what has been said. I intend to have my rifles and parts returned and request a refund for any uncompleted work. I will go from there once I have everything back in my posession.
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Old 06-04-2013, 10:27 AM
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Re: Smith has had my rifles for 2+ years. Losing patience...

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One of the ways I learned to speed up a gunsmith on a rebarrel was to learn how to remove my own barrels and strip my own action and bolt.
That way all I gave the gunsmith back then was the bare bolt , bare action and new barrel . From that point it's a very easy job for them and they can't loose any small parts or swap any parts for worn ones . Of course my next step was my own lathe . Even if I am rougher than a professional gunsmith , it is just way more satisfying and far less drama .
That's what I already do. I generally have the action ready to be worked on when it goes to the smith. In the past, when I have had time, I would do any work that didn't require machining or delicate fitting myself (for example, drill & tap, face the bolt, lap lugs).

I wish I knew enough about machining and welding to do more of this stuff myself. Still, a really good smith is a true artist IMO. I have no illusions that I could come close to matching what a good smith can do, even if I had the tools.
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Old 06-04-2013, 10:30 AM
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Re: Smith has had my rifles for 2+ years. Losing patience...

At what point would I be justified in simply cutting bait and requesting that my money and materials be returned?

Id have gotten my stuff back long before this!
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Old 06-05-2013, 04:17 AM
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That's what I already do. I generally have the action ready to be worked on when it goes to the smith. In the past, when I have had time, I would do any work that didn't require machining or delicate fitting myself (for example, drill & tap, face the bolt, lap lugs).

I wish I knew enough about machining and welding to do more of this stuff myself. Still, a really good smith is a true artist IMO. I have no illusions that I could come close to matching what a good smith can do, even if I had the tools.
Well in that case your smith is a real dud. In the US you have lots of good gunsmiths but over here the situation is far from ideal. You can count the good gunsmiths on one hand , over here .
I thought like you that I could never do it but you can. Now If I can't do a certain job , I buy a new part or I live without it .
I have watched quite a few gunsmiths work over the years and to tell you the truth they are not as precision as they have us believe.
I once got the huge bull job about how he fitted a barrel all the indicating and deltronic pins and dialling in . However one time I snuk up to his workshop window and did a bit of detective work and guess what . I watched him whack a barrel into a 6 jaw chuck and just start chambering . All the sales talk was total BS. If you actually spend the time to do all the dialling in an indexing a barrel as you would in a 4 jaw you realise that it takes so much time that they would not make enough money doing every barrel that way .
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Old 06-05-2013, 06:21 AM
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Re: Smith has had my rifles for 2+ years. Losing patience...

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It sounds, to me, like you need to tell him exactly what you have told us.
I'm no gunsmith, but it don't get no simpler than that ... don't make it any harder that it needs to be.

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Screw nice. No excuse is acceptable. Unless 2 years wait was in a contract you signed.
Agree! LL on the 2 year contract statement.
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