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Old 05-08-2011, 08:04 AM
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Savage action accurate ?

of all this talk of savage actions and i having one, are the savage actions accurate enough for a 1000 + stick Mine is a stock action would i have to do anyting to it/> ? Blue printing even tho it has a floating bolt?
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Old 05-08-2011, 08:52 AM
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Re: Savage action accurate ?

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of all this talk of savage actions and i having one, are the savage actions accurate enough for a 1000 + stick Mine is a stock action would i have to do anyting to it/> ? Blue printing even tho it has a floating bolt?
Yes they are accurate enough if they are true.(All or not).

I recommend replacing the barrel nut with a shouldered barrel makeup for several reasons,
It allows the use of a larger barrel breach end (1 1/4" instead of 1") and it eliminates the
extra thread makeup. Also on a rifle made for specific use where changing barrels is
not nessary. Also replace the recoil lug with an after market precision ground lug (The factory
lugs are never the same thickness from one side to the other.

Also the fact that the bolt head "Floats" does not make it square when its fired. It is not designed
to automatically line up with the case head it just allows the bolt head to rotate while operating the
bolt and should be checked for true and squared if nessary.

I have had great success with setting up the Savages this way and I am convinced that It is a more
consistant way of building an accurate rifle plus getting rid of the ugly barrel nut is a bonus in my
opinion.

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Old 05-08-2011, 11:33 AM
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Re: Savage action accurate ?

I agree completely with JE Custom.

I've done several nutless Savages and I've been happy with the results.

Here is my latest.

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LH Savage 111, pre-Accutrigger with a nutless 26" #2 Pacnor 3 groove 9 twist SS barrel chambered for the 280AI.
It wears a Burris 4.5-14 FFII with a Tac-2 elevation knob in Weaver Tactical rings on a 20MOA EGW Picatinny base.
Unfortunately it all sits in a Savage tupperware stock right now. It will eventually be put into a Stockade Hunting Sporter or a McMillan Savage Sporter.
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Old 05-08-2011, 12:19 PM
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Re: Savage action accurate ?

Real rifles have nuts.

Here is my 300wsm Hart on a Savage 116 and my 338Edge McGowan on a short/long action 110.


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Old 05-08-2011, 12:52 PM
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Re: Savage action accurate ?

once again, if the thread is tightened on a shoulder not all the thread will be in tension. It's physics, and cannot be avoided with a ground thread (internal and external both). To seriously make a barrel as stiff as some folks think it is, the 1.25" end would have to be a minimum of 25% of the barrel length (once again physics) unless the complete barrel length was bedded (won't work as we all know by now). Secondly the 3/4" or so of barrel threads is not nearly enough to support the leverage of a heavy barrel that is 26" or more in length (Applied Mechanics 101). Even a barrel nut will not do this 100% (maybe 75%). A barrel nut pulls the threads forwards into complete contact with the female thread form while keeping the male thread in tension. This is known as "stretching the thread." A common practice is super precision thread applications. If you were to thread the muzzel and slip a tube over the barrel you would probably achive 90%+ support, as well as greatly increasing rigidity.

Bench rest shooters like to use barrels in the 21" to 22" range because they are far more rigid (70% don't know this), and to make weight. The 3/4" of threads have an easier time supporting the leverage of the barrel hanging out there. If you make a mechanical drawing of the bolt to barrel assembly and put a 60K psi thrust on it in all directions you will see the barrel thread go all over the place with a shoulder lockup. The nut will also move a certain amount, but the difference is a fraction of the amount the shoulder lockup has as it's unsupported for most part.
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Old 05-08-2011, 12:53 PM
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Re: Savage action accurate ?

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Real rifles have nuts.

Here is my 300wsm Hart on a Savage 116 and my 338Edge McGowan on a short/long action 110.


who made the white stock?
gary
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Old 05-08-2011, 01:01 PM
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Re: Savage action accurate ?

Nice post Gary but I'll take fairly light contours in a shouldered barrel that shoots 1/2 MOA both for looks and for portability.

Don't do BR so being able to discern the difference in accuracy potential between nutted and nutless isn't going to happen for me.
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