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Old 11-22-2012, 04:27 PM
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Re: richards micro fit gun stocks?

You all are expecting "drop-in",,,,, that is NOT a reasonable expectation from ANY pre-inlet. If "drop-in/finished" is what you're wanting, contact Joel Russo (www.russoriflestocks.com). Don't expect to get a stock from him at Richards' price. He puts alot of knowledge into his work. His in-letting is done by a CNC (ya' think programming is easy,,, try it sometime! It's a whole 'special' set of skills). He will need your barreled action and bottom metal, at minimum. He is quit busy, so, be prepared to wait. Most pre-inletters (including Richards) use manual machines. The 'commercial' outfits (like Richards) buy their blanks in bulk as cheaply as they can. Many are not sawn from the log correctly, nor have they been properly dried and then seasoned for proper "stress relief". Their pattern stocks are what they are. Many times what you might get from these "commercial" outfits isn't straight and/or the wood is crappy. There are others who provide a pre-inlet. They don't advertise, like Richards does. They pre-inlet for custom "stockmakers". And YES, there is still such a thing as a "stockmaker". Just look up the "American Custom Gunmakers Guild". Professional work of this nature rarely come from amature hands! "DROP-IN" has become one of the greastest marketing tools of our day, as most are reluctant to pay for labor. It just isn't gonna' happen with natural material, like stock wood! A pre-inletted stock is only intended to shorten the time (50%-75%) it would take to make a stock by hand from a blank, not to "drop-in" like a McMillan or Manners that is special ordered to your metal (and again, inletted by a CNC and cast in a mold). There is still a place in the gun world for hand work! Unfortunately, in todays day and age, most don't seem to understand that.
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Old 11-22-2012, 04:47 PM
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Re: richards micro fit gun stocks?

I would tend to agree that they are not meant to be drop in and besides from cutting your stock from a chunk of wood (which I have done my fair share of) they are one of the most cost effective ways to get a semi-custom stock, and if you are handy with wood you can usually get them to fit 100% which many "drop in" stocks are not anyways IMO.

last I herd, they were swapping their macanical duplicating machines over to CNC.
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Old 11-22-2012, 05:09 PM
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Put 'crap' material and/or programming into a CNC machine and it'll still be 'crap'. Blanks I'm interested in cost 4-5+ times what Richards charges for one of their pre-inletted stocks. And, I'm not buying just high figure, I 'm buying a blank that was properly cut from the log, properly air dried for 5+ years, and then seasoned for several more years. The good stuff (wood, synthetic, or metal) doesn't come cheap!
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Old 11-22-2012, 09:37 PM
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Re: richards micro fit gun stocks?

Guys,

I was under no illusion about having to finish inlet my Richards stock, and I shouldn't have used the term "drop in" They do advertise a 99% press fit inlet and I thought that it should have been close to what I thought I was getting. The stock was off by as much as 1/3". The only things that were close were the front and rear screws hole were correct and the bolt handle cut off was as well, I did have to fill in the forward triger screw-guard hole and move it 1/8 " and re-cut the recoil lug area 1/3" back.

Maybe I thought 99% press fit would be closer. Still, if a person wants a "drop in" stock, look at Stocky Stocks or Boyds stocks there are lots of other options. If a person is patient and good with their hands, a Richards will do.

I am fortunate to have a friend that is a member of the Custom Gun Makers Guild, he specializes in custom stocks and stock duplication and we talked about this after I took on and finished this project. I thought about asking him about it before thinking that he was too busy to answer my questions about it. I was at his shop and while we were talking about it we set up one of his machines and he let me cut out a stock for one of his clients. It was one to one stock duplication and I completely inletted the stock inside and out barrel channel and everything to within .15" of finish. It took 30 min to set up and about 30 mins for this novice to cut the stock.

He did tell me that he buys laminate blanks from Richards as they are the best source and variety of color and lamination patterns out there and that their laminate blanks are really quite good, but Richards, in order to be profitable and fast as well as inexpensive cut thier stocks 10-1 ten blanks at one time to one pattern stock and press inletting is a jig that presses down as it cuts to a specific depth. There can and are problems with this method.

He also offered to let me cut out and duplicate a stock on his machiene the next time I wanted to do another one for free, with him supervising, I plan on taking him up on that some day...

I hope this clarifies and further explains my experience. I feel that one should have all sides to many stories in order to make informed decisions. I mean no direspect, but only hope this helps.

Dan
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