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Old 01-28-2011, 08:50 PM
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Perfect Entry Level Lathe???

This might be the nicest entry level lathe I've seen to date......

Coming Soon a Large Bore PM1127VF Lathe. Comes standard
with a 1-1/2" spindle bore and 6" Chuck. PM1127VF-LB Lathe
$2249.00. Free Shipping!



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Main Features:

* Made in an ISO 9002 Certified Factory
* High Quality Electronics Used Throughout Machine for long term reliability
* POWER CROSS FEED, BOTH IN, OUT, and LEFT and RIGHT, and WILL CUT LEFT HAND THREADS TOO
* Super Smooth and Quiet running machine
* Large Spindle Bore 1-1/16"
* HEAVY Welded Steel Machine Base for extremely rigid cutting
* Heavy Duty Bed Width 7"
* Variable Speed 120 Volt Single Phase Main Motor, 1hp
* Variable Spindle Speeds From 50-1800 rpm
* Inch Threads and Metric Threading, Right and Left Hand
* Spindle is Dynamically Balanced, Hardened and Precision Ground
* Spindle is Supported by High Precision Tapered Roller Bearings
* All Gears and Shafts are Hardened and Precision Ground
* Guideways Induction Hardened and Precision Ground for long life
* 2 Year Warranty for Parts
* INCH LEADSCREW AND FEED SCREWS for Even, Easy Measurements
* Digital Speed Readout on Face of Machine

Main Specifications:

* Distance Between Centers 27"
* Max. Swing over Bed 11"
* Max Swing is Gap No Gap
* Width of Bed 7"
* Spindle Mount/Bore DIN 55021
* Spindle Speeds, Infinitely Variable 50-1800 RPM
* Leadscrew Pitch (Main) 8 TPI
* Longitudinal Feeds 0.0025-.012 IPR
* Cross Feeds 0.001-.0056 IPR
* I nch Threads 52 Threads 8 to 56 TPI
* Metric Threads 45 Threads 3mm to .5mm Pitch
* Travel of Cross Slide 5-1/2"
* Travel of Compound 2"
* Tailstock Quill Travel 3-1/2"
* Tailstock Taper MT#2
* Main Motor 1HP Variable
* Machine Weight 650 Pounds
* Power Requirements 120 Volt 1 phase

Standard Equipment:

* 40 Position Quick Change Toolpost
Set with Holders
* Live Center
* 5" 3 jaw chuck
* 5" 4 jaw chuck
* 9" Face Plate
* Thread Chasing Dial
* Steady Rest
* Follow Rest
* Complete Stand/Base for Machine
with Cabinet Doors
* INCH and METRIC THREADING
* High Quality Electronics
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Old 01-29-2011, 08:05 AM
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Re: Perfect Entry Level Lathe???

Roy.

It is a nice lathe with a lot of features but there are a few things that you should
consider.

The 27" Between centers will be troublesome. I had one that had a 36" bed and It was
not enough at times (It was 28" between centers). I bought a 42'' bed and it is just barely
long enough.

Also the spindle dia is on the small size. with any tooling on/in the spindle will be to small,
even for a 1.250 barrel.

I would recommend a 2" spindle as Minimum for gun work.

I am not slamming the lathe,it is very nice . But if you are going to do gun work it is a little
small and with such a large investment IMO it would be better to buy a larger one.

I am speaking from experience. I bought 3 different lathes before I got one that will do the
job on re-barreling.

Other than those two items I see nothing else wrong with it , And the price "IS" Great.

Don't get me wrong. IT will work a lot of the time, but it will not do all of the things you
will need to do especially the longer/larger barrels.

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Old 01-29-2011, 08:26 AM
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Re: Perfect Entry Level Lathe???

JE....I have a 12X36BD converted to DC drive with a Shooting Star DRO.........I'm not looking for a lathe.

I suggest this is a GREAT lathe for someone that will be turning a few barrels a year, making a few widgets and what not.............

First off...It has a 1.5" spindle bore. More than enough for any rebarrel other than some +1.5" straight taper. 99.9% of all barrels that will be threaded and chambered in the headstock will fit with plenty of room to spare.

Most folks will never put ANY barrel between centers. All crowning and chamber work will be done in the headstock. The only time you would need to put a barrel between centers is to contour it (and this lathe simply ain't going to do that) or to polish it (and you shouldn't do this on a lathe anyways.. the grit can damage the ways). 100% of the barrels a home gunsmith is going to buy are going to be contoured and polished/sanded from the barrel maker.......

Build a spider for the outboard side of the headstock, and you're good to go.

We tend to get all gooie when it comes to lathe discussions. And the poor new guy gets a real dose of "you need a 10,000 pound lathe with a 3ph 15HP motor and a 48" bed that costs over 10 large to chamber a barrel. Nonsense..........hundreds of winning BR rifles were and are being built with South Bend 9 or Sears/Atlas lathes and they have terrible limitations........I suggest this might be a much better choice for a starting smith.
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Old 01-29-2011, 09:02 AM
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JE....I have a 12X36BD converted to DC drive with a Shooting Star DRO.........I'm not looking for a lathe.

I suggest this is a GREAT lathe for someone that will be turning a few barrels a year, making a few widgets and what not.............

First off...It has a 1.5" spindle bore. More than enough for any re barrel other than some +1.5" straight taper. 99.9% of all barrels that will be threaded and chambered in the headstock will fit with plenty of room to spare.

Most folks will never put ANY barrel between centers. All crowning and chamber work will be done in the headstock. The only time you would need to put a barrel between centers is to contour it (and this lathe simply ain't going to do that) or to polish it (and you shouldn't do this on a lathe anyways.. the grit can damage the ways). 100% of the barrels a home gunsmith is going to buy are going to be contoured and polished/sanded from the barrel maker.......

Build a spider for the outboard side of the headstock, and you're good to go.

We tend to get all gooie when it comes to lathe discussions. And the poor new guy gets a real dose of "you need a 10,000 pound lathe with a 3ph 15HP motor and a 48" bed that costs over 10 large to chamber a barrel. Nonsense..........hundreds of winning BR rifles were and are being built with South Bend 9 or Sears/Atlas lathes and they have terrible limitations........I suggest this might be a much better choice for a starting smith.
No doubt it would be a good buy, and I was not trying to offend you just point out that it would not
do everything that is needed.

I totally agree with you about the price and size of the lathe. (Mine is the minimum needed
that I could afford). I could not spend $10,000+ dollars ether.

You posted the spindle size as 1 1/16 that is to small, but if it is 1 1/2 that will do most jobs.

I agree it would be a good entry level lathe but if the person became serious it wouldn't work
that is why I recommend the larger spindle size and the longer bed to start with.

My second lathe had a 1 1/2" spindle that was threaded inside and with any tooling in it It
limited barrel size.

As I said I ended up buying 3 lathes before I found one that could do 99% of all barrel jobs
and I wished someone had enlightened me, I could have saved a lot of money.

Most people can afford a more expensive lathe than I have (Just over $5,000 ) but it will do
everything except the barrels over 32" without special setups.

Again sorry if I offended you. That was not the intent, just wanted to help those that are
considering getting into gunsmithing with some recommendations.

J E CUSTOM


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Old 01-29-2011, 09:09 AM
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Re: Perfect Entry Level Lathe???

No offense taken..........

But...

"I agree it would be a good entry level lathe but if the person became serious it wouldn't work
that is why I recommend the larger spindle size and the longer bed to start with. "

What would be considered "serious" that this lathe couldn't accomplish. A larger lathe can certainly cut faster and deeper, adding all kinds of stress to the barrel. But other than that, as long as this lathe can hold under .001" I bet you could build some nice rifles with it. Cannons..no- Rifles...yes

Thanks for the conversation, it's good for the sport.........
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Re: Perfect Entry Level Lathe???

Thanks for posting that up!! I was all set to get a PM-1440BV but got my clock cleaned financially, I may be able to swing a deal on something like this by the end of the year and get back into the game. At that price a guy could upgrade down the road and leave it set up for smaller projects, bolt work and nut truing come to mind being a Savage kinda guy
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Re: Perfect Entry Level Lathe???

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Roy.

It is a nice lathe with a lot of features but there are a few things that you should
consider.

The 27" Between centers will be troublesome. I had one that had a 36" bed and It was
not enough at times (It was 28" between centers). I bought a 42'' bed and it is just barely
long enough.

Also the spindle dia is on the small size. with any tooling on/in the spindle will be to small,
even for a 1.250 barrel.

I would recommend a 2" spindle as Minimum for gun work.

I am not slamming the lathe,it is very nice . But if you are going to do gun work it is a little
small and with such a large investment IMO it would be better to buy a larger one.

I am speaking from experience. I bought 3 different lathes before I got one that will do the
job on re-barreling.

Other than those two items I see nothing else wrong with it , And the price "IS" Great.

Don't get me wrong. IT will work a lot of the time, but it will not do all of the things you
will need to do especially the longer/larger barrels.

J E CUSTOM
before making the plunge on a small lathe like that, besure to check the actuall I.D. of the chuck! I've seen six inch chucks that had I.D.'s small than an inch, and have seen them with 2" bores in them. Also the lathe has a one horse power motor, and this is really getting on the minimal side. One and a half or even two would be much nicer. The feed rates seemed a little slow to me, but for a lot of folks they'll work. Those light feed rates will help keep the heat in the part your cutting, and be pretty hard on inserts at times. Most everybody I know that's ran out and bought a lathe has in the end wished they'd gone ahead and bought the collet and taper options.
gary

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