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Old 06-27-2008, 11:14 PM
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Hegster, James H is right. The 70 rpm is ok. I use the slow speeds a lot. I usually chamber at 40, but sometimes use 63, or 100. I did a very nice .270 chamber at 160 rpm. Manson says that none of those are too fast. I always part off at 40 though. I discovered that 63 rpm gave the best finish chambering a 17-4 PH barrel. It also threaded better at 63 rpm.

The jump from 70 to 200 would be a deal breaker for me. It might be possible to change the drive sheaves to lower spindle speeds across the board. This would not affect thread pitch since the transmission locks the lead screw to the spindle, but you would still have the big gap between the two lowest speeds.

JE Custom has a very good modern lathe. I'll ask him to post or P/M particulars; brand, size, etc.

Good luck, Tom
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Old 06-28-2008, 05:54 PM
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Hegster

I started with a small hobby type lathe and did ok except that every
thing that required accuracy was very difficult and time consuming.

So I decided to up grade ,But the choices were mind blowing so I made a
list of what was required to do gun work.( not a full blown production lathe).

Spindel size =minimum 1 1/2''
Spindel speeds=minimum 40 rpm
14'' swing ( 7" radius )
40'' bed (Center to Center) Bed will be about 54" long.
Taper attachment
power cross feed
All lever, gear head with metric and tpi threading abilities.
And a quick change tool post.
And a budget of around 4'000.00 dollars.

I found that in order get what I though I needed it would cost around $4500.00

What I found was a General tool 14"x40" ,gap bed ,1 1/2" ID spindle,with 16 spindle
speeds ( 44,70,90,108,140,165,215,255,330,385,585,770,900,1 170 and a mind blowing
1800 rpm. NOTE! I use all of the speeds except the 1800rpm.

I use the 44rpm more than any other speed 70rpm is a little fast for threading on some
actions.

The quick change tool post is very handy because I can have tool holders set up with
all of the different tools required to do any operation.

Dont worry about a taper bar unless you want one (I rarely use mine )

Lathe ,tooling and everthing cost me about $5000.00 and I'm very happy
with the machine.

I lusted over the tool maker lathes (Up to $140 K ) but ended up with a
USER FRIENDLY Lathe for $4400.00.

But the best lathe in the world isn't any good if its not set up right. so be sure
and set it up right before you use it.( Perfectly level and anchored down,tail stock
alignment to spindle/chuck ,Etc.

I hope this will help
J E CUSTOM
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Old 06-29-2008, 10:29 AM
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Interesting note regarding rpm, chip loads, and feed rates.

I worked with David Kiff very closely for three years getting this right.

It's a matter of how the reamer is supported gents. At Nesika we were able to chamber up to about 1200 rpm with carbide tooling. I'd run HSS reamers at about 300-400 with no ill effects. No burnt cutters or chatter.

Surface finish was excellent. At first we used nothing but gray scotch brite for fluff and buff afterwards. Later we decided to clean up with 320 just to put a cross hatch pattern in the chamber so that the brass would bite down better in an effort to reduce flow towards the neck and shoulders. 320 was about right because it didn't "frost up" the brass. I'd shoot for the same pattern typical of any well honed cylinder bore on an engine.

TIR varied between 175 millionths and a tenth.

I know many my be compelled to want to call BS on that, but its gospel truth.

Granted, I had up to 2400lbs of coolant pressure for chip evacuation at my disposal (very snorty rig that I ginned up over the 2005 Christmas holiday break) and a 6500lb machine, but we NEVER used the tail stock. Experiment with holding your tooling on the cross slide. You might be surprised what you get.

All I will say is, MASS and PRESSURE counts.

good luck.

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Old 06-29-2008, 07:51 PM
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NesikaChad

You are dead on ( No BS ).

The slow RPM I like to use is because I have no pressure
coolant system and if you try these speeds on a light weight
machine they will cause problems.

Manson Reamers recomended up to 400 RPM, But with coolant.

I am probably to careful but it's the way I was taught .

I use finish reamers only and pull out every .030 to clean the reamer
and reduce to .015 cut near the end.

By doing this I do not have to polish the chamber and end up with a
perfict fit and finish .

The reason I recomended this method was because I didn't want
someone just starting out to get in trouble.

I started out on a small South Bend lathe and if you loaded or rushed
it the bed would flex and cause chatter.

The main reason I can take my time is that I'm retired and only work on
one rifle at a time .But I could'nt make it in a production shop ( It takes
6 to 8 hrs to do one chamber ).

So far all of my rifles have shot well under 1/2 MOA and I'm afraid to change
the way I build them ( and to old to change ).

I know with the proper equipment you can go faster but I just wanted to
explain why I recomended slower speeds.

Just my way,not the only way
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Old 06-30-2008, 09:46 AM
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JE

Hey buddy (and sorry to the OP for the sidetrack)

Don't think I was poking at you in any way. I'm sure sorry if it came off that way.

I've never liked roughing reamers either. Just something about shoving two different hard cylindrical objects in the same hole that I've never been real warm and fuzzy over.

Don't know where that comes from. . .

Anyways. I sure hope I don't sound preachy. The evenings here in Baghdad are quite dry (yep, that'd be a pun) and this just helps to pass the time.

cheers.

Chad Dixon
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Old 06-30-2008, 06:55 PM
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Hey buddy (and sorry to the OP for the sidetrack)

Don't think I was poking at you in any way. I'm sure sorry if it came off that way.

I've never liked roughing reamers either. Just something about shoving two different hard cylindrical objects in the same hole that I've never been real warm and fuzzy over.

Don't know where that comes from. . .

Anyways. I sure hope I don't sound preachy. The evenings here in Baghdad are quite dry (yep, that'd be a pun) and this just helps to pass the time.

cheers.

Chad Dixon
Chad

I wasn't offended but thanks !!

Thats what I like about this web site,There are lots of ways to do things
and plenty of experts (not me)that can share what they know.

Any way,I wished I could afford a toolmakers lathe but mine works fine.

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