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Grizzly G4003G Gunsmith’s Lathe Part 1

 
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Old 06-21-2013, 10:40 AM
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Re: Grizzly G4003G Gunsmith’s Lathe Part 1

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I always wondered what that clowns first name was......

Glad he helped you. I wouldn't buy a sack of rotten potatoes from them or him.

Just keep in mind that when you purchase anything from them you increase the trade imbalance, you prostiture American workers and you further his agenda.

Far as I'm concerned he and his company are a POS for the above reasons and a whole lot more.
I had an engineer buy six of their heavyduty lathes on a spot buy at work. They all came in at the sametime, and all went back home at the sametime. He then bought the Southwest Trac's, and after two wrecks and two junked machines they fired his butt. Problem is that nobody except Colechester is making a seriously good engine lathe anymore with at least a 10" chuck. The best current hand lathe out there is a Hardingh second operation machine, and it's too small for barrel work. The best ever made was the Monarch Series "EE", and people don't get rid of them.
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Old 06-21-2013, 10:47 AM
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Who would you buy a sack of rotten potatoes from?

Besides that, your post has nothing to do with gunsmithing and is nothing more than a rant that comes rather close to what is not allowed on this board.

Stop right there! Let me tell you something about "Flip"! He's a machinest from the old school, and is also pretty damned good at what he does. We've had quite a few conversations over the years, and often compaired notes. I've come to trust his data. So where do I come from? I'm a machine builder. I specialized in machine centers, but have done all too many turning machines in my lifetime. Plus gear cutting equipment and grinders. Even robotics. I kinda think by now I know machinery, and made a living at undoing junk equipment.
Plus I call a spade when I see a spade.
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Old 06-21-2013, 11:14 AM
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I need to add to "Flips" previous post. The Senior Vice Presidents of Engineering and manufacturing at Warner Swasey left the company in the very late 1970's. The started a little company called Bardens & Oliver, and their first lathe was a dupicate of the W&S #5 turret lathe. There was a huge market for that particular model at the time, folks that owned them kept them up. Turns out that all the patterns and such were right from W&S. They're built over here. Later these guys get the same deal for the much sought after W&S chuckers and the CNC chuckers. We bought five or six of them, and placed them right beside the W&S #2AS cnc chuckers. Same quality and finish.

Monarch Sidney was bought up by Makino years back. They were the Cadillac of engine lathes when they sold out. I think Monarch Cortland is still the old company (last time I heard), but all the made was vertical machine centers.. Sidney did a horizontal machine center that was surprisingly accurate. But also not with out issues. Still a better machine than it's Jap counterparts by a mile or two.

I think G&L still has a line of CNC lathes (all slant bed), and at one time did make an engine lathe. Their big thing is machine centers and FMS systems. What put them over the top was when they bought up K&T. K&T was the top dog in the world of FMS systems by a wide margin. But also had a lot of cash flow issues.

In the world of machine centers the best was a Devlieg out of Michigan. Sip also did one that was claimed to be about .0002" more accurate in two feet of travel. A lie! People that own Devliegs hang onto them, and keep them up. They are a legitimate two tenths machine on a bad day!

Probably the only good stuff comming out of Japan these days is Okuma and Okamoto. The rest is suspect and has cost more than one man his job for even buying it. Mitsubishi makes a fairly good gear grinder, but nothing like an Okamoto or a MAAG. Gleason has literally killed off the rest of the business in gear cutting. Nothing will run with a Gleason period!

Now for the $64K answer! The best CNC lathe made anywhere is a Hardingh. Always back ordered for a reason. It's a solid five tenths or less machine, and I've seen the smaller versions run in the two and a half tenth range all day long. The others won't come close to that. Plus it'll stay together with a feed rate of 24" a minute if your brave enough! Lodge was the last one to make that claim.
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Old 06-21-2013, 11:30 AM
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Re: Grizzly G4003G Gunsmith’s Lathe Part 1

I merely rebutted the statement about SBL and flat ways. SBL never produced a machine with flat ways and like Gary, I prefer domestic machines for 2 reasons, one, they are typically overbuilt (especially in the case of a Monarch EE series) and they were made in America by American craftsmen, not in some shop across the pond in the land of rice-a-roni.

We already have an unstainable trade deficit with China, why perpetuate it with more trade imbalance when used American made machines are still available and can be brought to rerasonable tolerance machining with a little time and refurbishing.

I don't do business with Balola and Grizzly just for the above reason\, but then, I have the knowledge and capabilities of refurbishing used machine tools, it's a labor of love with me.

Monarch was made in Sidney Ohio btw.

People in this country need to wake up to the fact that the end game will have you eating with chopsticks and be gunless as well.

Gary and I will never succumb to that premise, not now, not later.

No rant intended bub, just facts.

Made in China or Taiwan or India or any Pacific Rim country has no place in my shop and never will.
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Re: Grizzly G4003G Gunsmith’s Lathe Part 1

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I believe first and foremost to buy American at all times possible, to support my country and it's workers because I'm still proud to be an American and I still believe this is the greatest country in the world. Do you?

If you feel that's crap, why don't you immigrate to China and see first hand just what living there is all about.

I said my piece. You can absorb it and benefit from it or you can blow it off. Your choice, your freedom, for now.
You've completely hijacked this Thread, taken it in the direction of your pleasing, all in order to "force your piece" on the OP and other Forum members. Pretty darn selfish. In some ways, doesn't seem much different than the man you're so critical of. You might consider initiating your own thread? So we can all determine if we care to read about your opinions on the history of Lathe manufacturers and can then determine whether or not to invest the time - having been respectfully informed.

Perhaps the OP will be willing to change the title of his Thread at this point in time, in order to identify this Thread as the discussion of the affects of world wide manufacturing and business competition on the United States of America.

Start a Thread of your own, and then there should be no problem with your "posting your piece" to your heart's content. Unless Len decides you've posted for the purpose of bashing someone's business.
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You've completely hijacked this Thread, taken it in the direction of your pleasing, all in order to "force your piece" on the OP and other Forum members. Pretty darn selfish. In some ways, doesn't seem much different than the man you're so critical of. You might consider initiating your own thread? So we can all determine if we care to read about your opinions on the history of Lathe manufacturers and can then determine whether or not to invest the time - having been respectfully informed.

Perhaps the OP will be willing to change the title of his Thread at this point in time, in order to identify this Thread as the discussion of the affects of world wide manufacturing and business competition on the United States of America.

Start a Thread of your own, and then there should be no problem with your "posting your piece" to your heart's content. Unless Len decides you've posted for the purpose of bashing someone's business.
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Re: Grizzly G4003G Gunsmith’s Lathe Part 1

Hijack, smijack.

The title of the thread is and I quote..."Grizzly G400G3 Gunsmith's Lathe". Now unless I mistaken, the thread title is about a Grizzly machine, more specifically, a Chinese machnine.

If yoiu have issues being an American and purchasing Ameriucan products, I suggest you move offshore to one of the countries you embrace...if they will have you.

If I farted in your Rice Krispies, so be it.

Get a life for God sakes.

There are some of us here that are proud to be Ameriicans, even under the current regime.

Finally, Gary and I have more knowledge about machine shop discipline and what
works and what don't in our little toenais that you have in your entirety.

I'll remove this thread from my notifications so that you may continue on, unabated and unfettered by anything resembling patriotism and loyalty to American workers and their products.... You probably have a Longevity welder too.

Have at it, I'm outta here.
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