Originally Posted by JFComfort
Well SidecarFlip you have added some very interesting information to the discussion. Not in the direction I would have figured this thread would go but a direction non the less.
I do believe in your right to express your opinion and I appreciate you filling us in on one side of the story, this is a forum after all. If I ever get to sit down with Mr. Shiraz Balolia I will be sure to get his prospective on the matter.
I think from your point of view you have painted a very accurate picture but I do want to ask you your opinion on union's and how they fit in to the context of the end market place.
South Bend Lathe - What Can We Learn from an ESOP Failure.
I'm not looking to argue with but I figure I would offer other views for people who may come across this thread.
There are literally volumes written on the rise and failure of SBL both pro and con and dissecting the scenario in it's entirety can take a long time, depending on which way one leans both in respect to unions and in respect to management.
All I wanted to do was illustrate what Balola and Grizzly represented as it pertains to the original tradename and that is nothing more than a rebadged chiinese machine. Nothing more.......
I consider myself fortunate that prior to the demise, I was able to get a number of proprietary prints for a couple rebuilds and some intrinsic parts as well.
Certainly no whining on my part intended or warranted. You won't find any Balola machinery in my shop but that is entirely my choice and candidly, I'm not a gunsmith and I only fiddle with guns as a hobby and then it's mostly trigger groups.
I do have my journeymans card in tool and die making. I served my apprentiship at Standard Products Company in Cleveland, Ohio and I own my own machine and fabrication shop. We produce items that are in no way related to anything discussed on this forum, not even remotely firearm related.
I woud suggest to find another use for the copper stranded wire that is protecting the barrel in your picture. Common and accepted practice is to use soft jaw caps of a known thickness to prevent marring of a finish.
I like to shoot and exercise my Second Amendment right to bear arms, especially long range rifles, which, is why I'm here in the first place. This forum is a great place to learn and while I'm fairly ancient, I can still learn and adapt.
Finally, my take on unions is simply that if it weren't for organized labor, the fringe benefits that most workers receive today in an industrial setting would never have come about. Having said that, I'm on the fence considering unions today, especially a closed shop. I believe it's the workers right to choose representation rather than be forced, as a condition of employment, to join the union.
No, my shop is not union. Somehow, I don't believe any union would be interested in a 3 employee shop. Not enough revenue.
Enjoy your Chinese lathe. If it serves your needs and fits your budget, that's all one can ask.
I merely wanted to point out the what if rather than the obvious.