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Old 01-09-2009, 01:03 AM
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Custom action VS factory blue printed

What are the benefits of a custom(aftermarket) action over a factory action that's been blue printed?
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Old 01-09-2009, 05:54 AM
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Re: Custom action VS factory blue printed

I shoot in 500 meter ground hog matches with three different rifles. Two are custom actions; a Hall and a Nesika. The third is a fully blueprinted Rem 700 with everything possible done to it. The Rem shoots well, but not nearly so as the other two. The custom action rifles, including all components and gunsmithing, cost me about $2,800 each. I have put more than that in the Remington. Would not go that route again. Custom actions come blueprinted and ready to go. I told my gunsmith a few months ago, that I would never invest in a factory action for competition again. Take a look at the Stiller action. It is less cost and apparently of very good quality. May be my next purchase.
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Old 01-09-2009, 09:03 AM
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Re: Custom action VS factory blue printed

blue printed 700s might be as accurate, never will be as smooth and will lose 50 percent of the cost you put in it as soon as you walk out the gunsmiths door!

Custom actions are smoother, many times slightly larger, longer tenons and always hold their value and cost less to have more quality.

It is as simple as that.

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Old 01-09-2009, 09:10 AM
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Re: Custom action VS factory blue printed

There are a lot of different opinions on this and This is one subject that I
have mixed opinions on.

There are good custom actions and good factory actions so it all boils down to
what you want and can afford.

The advantage of a custom action is normaly they are machined very true ( But not
allways and should be checked ) and are a one time expense.

The disadvantages are custom actions require custom stocks that are quite a bit more
expensive . ( A good laminate or composit stock for a factory action will run $ 200.oo
to $400.oo dollars where the same stock for a custom action will start at $600.oo and go
up to $1000.oo + dollars ).

The advantage of factory actions are, easy to come by,lots of after market parts and
plenty of good stocks to chose from at reasonable cost for the biuld and in the hands
of a good smith can be made to shoot with any custom action with minimal cost.

The main advantage to a factory action is that most people have a rifle that does not
shoot and can be used as a donor to build a custom rifle on.

As to the accuracy advantage of one over the other if a high Quality barrel is used and
a good chamber and headspace are achieved there are no advantages one way or
the other.

Don't get me wrong I love the looks and feel of the custom actions and consider them a
must for the realy big cartriges because of boltface dia. and length. But with standard
cartriges they are not nessary .

On a Custom biuld you should go with what ever you want and can afford ,after all it is
a custom biuld and should be exactly what you want in all areas.

Just my opinion
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Old 01-09-2009, 12:22 PM
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Re: Custom action VS factory blue printed

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There are a lot of different opinions on this and This is one subject that I
have mixed opinions on.

There are good custom actions and good factory actions so it all boils down to
what you want and can afford.

The advantage of a custom action is normaly they are machined very true ( But not
allways and should be checked ) and are a one time expense.

The disadvantages are custom actions require custom stocks that are quite a bit more
expensive . ( A good laminate or composit stock for a factory action will run $ 200.oo
to $400.oo dollars where the same stock for a custom action will start at $600.oo and go
up to $1000.oo + dollars ).

The advantage of factory actions are, easy to come by,lots of after market parts and
plenty of good stocks to chose from at reasonable cost for the biuld and in the hands
of a good smith can be made to shoot with any custom action with minimal cost.

The main advantage to a factory action is that most people have a rifle that does not
shoot and can be used as a donor to build a custom rifle on.

Just my opinion
J E CUSTOM
JE

Ok you lost me here.

90% of the custom actions are on "basic remington footprint" (Lawton, Pierce, Predator, TAC 338, Phoenix, Borden, GAP, Nesika, Bat, Hall etc), particularily, any one of them used for a LR hunting gun, and will fit into exactly the same stock as any factory rem 700. At worst, only require very minor modifications to the basic 700 inletting for longer tenons etc.

They all use the same Remington after market parts, so no advantage there.

Even wider custom actions will fit into the same laminated stock, just different inletting. You order the same stock (or at most, ask them to leave it about 1/4 wider in the action area) with a different inlet or you order it uninletted and your smith inlets it. Now fiberglass, yes it might be an issue, but that should be on the absolute largest actions and calibers.

The only actions that require different stocks are the largest custom actions for 338 lapua and up cartridges, in reality 408 size.

Last I checked McMillan, they had the same price for their stocks regardless of whether it was custom or factory and they all fit in the stock.

PM me and I will tell you where you can get all the laminated stocks you want at the same price for inletting a 700 and a custom action. No difference and 50 plus patterns and they can mix and match foreends and butts from different patterns. They have a variety of from lightweight sporters to huge BR stocks and in different woods.

Even if I have a factory action to start with it has a "resale" value that cannot be ignored, so there is no such thing as a "free donor action". I can always sell a Rem for $350 and put it towards a custom so there is no savings here, particularily when you look at the "lost $350" on top of what you spend to rework it and then lose every dime of it when you walk out the gunsmiths door. That means that there in actuality is not any savings here, just lost money even with a donor action.

You might only be able to afford a factory starting off, but when it comes time to drop a lot of money "fixing" it; IMO time to sell and buy a custom if saving money is a factor. If not, then go ahead and rework the factory.

Got to admit I have a couple I have done that to, but it has never worked out as inexpensive, smooth, or as high quality as my custom actions, but then it would not be as much fun.

BH

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Re: Custom action VS factory blue printed

Thanks for the replies!!

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As to the accuracy advantage of one over the other if a high Quality barrel is used and a good chamber and headspace are achieved there are no advantages one way or
the other.

Just my opinion
J E CUSTOM

This is what I was mainly getting at. I figured accuracy was mainly in the barrel and chambering. As long as it mounted to something true. I don't sell my guns, I let them collect dust (the ones I never seem to shoot) for my kids to sell someday when I'm gone so resale value means nothing to me as I can't take 'em with me.
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Re: Custom action VS factory blue printed

I hope my trued up Winchester and Remington actions never figure out they aren't custom, I may have a mutiny.

I to could care less about resale value and would rather have an action trued up in a couple of weeks instead of waiting 4 months or better.
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