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Old 03-14-2010, 01:16 PM
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I am quite happy with 1inch @300 its the 1 inch @ 100 that bugs me.I can impress people with it till I shoot 100 yards then i blend in with the rest..very aggravating.
My long range rig shoots better at longer distance than shorter also. It has been a couple of years since I last shot it a 100 yrds. The closest I shoot now is 200 yrds, and only if I am doing load development or hunting.

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Old 03-14-2010, 01:16 PM
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Re: Anyone ever thought of this?

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When's the last time anyone saw a boat tail bullet being used at a 100 yard benchrest match?

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Boat tails: Long

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Old 03-14-2010, 01:44 PM
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I am quite happy with 1inch @300 its the 1 inch @ 100 that bugs me.I can impress people with it till I shoot 100 yards then i blend in with the rest..very aggravating.
It would seem theoretically impossible for any rifle to shoot a 1 group at 100 yards and a 1 group at 300 yards with the same load. I can see how a rifle can maintain 1moa over a given distance but a 1 group would suggest parallel bullet flight rather than an angle of divergence from the muzzle.

Is this possible?
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Old 03-14-2010, 02:46 PM
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You are right, Theoretically it is impossible. However The flight of a bullet is a very complex subject lots of things affect the flight path in different ways. some are variables that we can change some are not. It seems that a rifle that shoots an inch at a hundred yards would really do nothing more than deteriorate at 300 yards. Here is my theory at a hundred yards a bullet in reality is just getting out of your barrel and starting to fly and may not have had time to stabilize completely. once you start getting out to 200 or even 300 the bullet has been in the air a bit and is in its flight path and stable. and from some point in there group size begins to deteriorate. I have talked to a few Bench rest guys who never even shoot 100 yards and say 300 is a minimum for load development. There are many hours of dry reading available on the flight of a bullet to anyone who is interested. Thats my thoughts on it. I am not an expert but I know I can consistently shoot an inch anywhere between here and 300 yards...
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Old 03-14-2010, 04:04 PM
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yea but......wouldn't the bullets from your gun be diverging from the muzzle to 100 yds from around the outside of the POA then be converging from 100 to 300 yards to achieve the smaller sized group in inches and/or MOA.

If this is so, would the bullets then continue to diverge from 300 yards on out?
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yea but......wouldn't the bullets from your gun be diverging from the muzzle to 100 yds from around the outside of the POA then be converging from 100 to 300 yards to achieve the smaller sized group in inches and/or MOA.

If this is so, would the bullets then continue to diverge from 300 yards on out?
I agree that it is not possible for a group to get physically smaller at a further range. I do believe it is possible to get smaller moa further out. My rifle does this. I think it is one of two things. I think most likely it has to do with the stability factor for the given barrel/bullet combo. It takes more twist to stabilize the same bullet for short range (under 500 yrds) than for long range (over 500 yrds). I think this is where the term "going to sleep" comes in. Or I am just a better shot at longer range than short range.

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Old 03-14-2010, 10:10 PM
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I don't know but this is the only gun i have that does it. maybe ill have my dad shoot it and see what he gets.... interesting situation though
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