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Old 12-18-2007, 01:51 PM
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The 444 marlin would make a great gun for your needs , even with full house loads shot through well desgined can the hogs woulden't be any more spooked that if they were shot with a sub sonic load.

I'm thinking about having an encore barrel chambered in 500S&W to load to sub sonic levels with a 500gr Hornady XTP. the barrel would be 14" with a 6" permanently attached silencer. this would be for "varmint" control is developed areas. Hogs a big time nusince animals down here.[/QUOTE]

Now were are talking!

I think the 444 will be cut to 18-20" and a sound moddy fitted. I'll be using 180-200g heads, this should be the medicine required. Oh I forgot to mention the piggies are shot over dogs sometimes so the moddy is a must!
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Old 12-18-2007, 03:35 PM
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Yea , I'm sure that the dogs would apperciate the quieter round !! but if your using dogs then you don't need a gun at all , just catchthem and grain feed them for a moneth before you butcher em , it helps alot with the taste , most of our hogs are cought in the marsh so the meat wil often have a bad taste do to the mud that these rascles find their food in so we pen raise them a for a bit. Besides its alot more chalenging to hand to hand with a tusker than to just shoot one.

What silencer are you planning to use?
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Old 12-18-2007, 04:33 PM
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Yea , I'm sure that the dogs would apperciate the quieter round !! but if your using dogs then you don't need a gun at all , just catchthem and grain feed them for a moneth before you butcher em , it helps alot with the taste , most of our hogs are cought in the marsh so the meat wil often have a bad taste do to the mud that these rascles find their food in so we pen raise them a for a bit. Besides its alot more chalenging to hand to hand with a tusker than to just shoot one.

What silencer are you planning to use?
Well the boys where we are off (New Zealand) hunt the critters with knives normally, but for me it will have to be the good ol rifle! These buggers live in the flats of the mountains as far as I know and the food is pretty good by all accounts. The dogs are trained pig dogs so they dont take prisoners, right hardy little mutts.

As for the moddy I use one from Norway called the A-TEC, familiar? Very good unit does what says on the tin and at 500g its very lite too. Its a sleeve type unit that goes over the barrel, very quiet.

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Old 12-18-2007, 05:25 PM
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With a lever action might as well go for 45-70. Many reason, here are a few:
Better feeding
Brass will always be available, and at a cheaper price
In a Marlin 2400 fps with a 300 grainer is doable, thats some major energy.
Or 2100+ fps with a 350 grainer
Or 2000ish fps with a 405 grainer
Or 1600 fps with a 500 grainer
You will be using one of the oldest cartridges
You qualify to be in the band of 45-70ers.

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Old 12-20-2007, 09:20 AM
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Eshell , I've been making and playing with silencers and for a little bit now and have found that unless your looking for absolute movie style quiet then subsonic isin't realy needed. , My 308 is quiet enough that at 50yds the round inpact at target is louder than the sonic crack , I did a bit of testing wtih me standing close to the target (1 gallon full jug) and had a buddy shoot it for 50yds away , while the report was able to be heard it wasen't nearly as loud as the impact , the noise level is on par with that of a regular 22lr being shot out of a 24" barreled bolt rifle.
Hey James, understood and agreed. I also have a suppressed rifle and know exactly what you're talking about with sub-sonics vs super-sonics through the suppressor. The question was specifically about sub-sonics, hence my approach to the answer, though I think you are right to read through that.
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Old 12-23-2007, 04:07 PM
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458 SOCOM is doable in an 1895 Marlin without too much concern....

I talked with this fellow about doing the conversion:

Nonneman Custom Rifles - Fine quality firearms for the discriminating shooter

What you'll need to do is nothing more than this....shorten some Starline 50 Alaskan brass to about 1.6", run them through a 458 SOCOM die(I prefer CH4D or Hornady), final trim, and go.

That will solve the rebated rim concern.

For states that have cartridge length restrictions for deer, such as Indiana, this isn't a bad way to go.

When loaded past the 35k psi range that the AR bolt limits this round to, the little cartridge can be quite inspiring.

I've got one on a Mauser action with a 20" barrel, the last outing with it I was at 2050fps with 300gr. Hornady's without any pressure signs whatsoever, and case capacity to spare for my next range trip.
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