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Old 06-10-2007, 02:38 PM
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Gettin Started??????

I emailed this question to Len last week and he emailed me back with the good idea to put it on here so everyone could enjoy. And maybe to remind me to pull my head out of my @$$ and realize that we do have a photography sub forum now!! [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/blush.gif[/img] [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/confused.gif[/img] [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img] [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img]

Here is my original email:
"Hello Len,

This is Steve Elmenhorst (lerch on LRH). I have been curious about getting into wildlife photography and from what I have seen you seem like a pretty good source from some info and tips. I am just wondering what kind of equipment I need to get started. I am sure i would like to get some of those up close macro type shots of insects and flowers but mainly i will be wanting to do wildlife. Particularly I have a pond i hunt that gets alot of teal and goldeneyes and bufflehead ducks. I would love to get some shots of them on the water and taking off and landing, i would also like the shots to be pretty close and detailed. I can hide probably within 50yds of them so whatever zoom i would need from there. I have looked at the Canon XTi and a few others on the net and i am just wanting your opinion. Can i get started for around $1K

Thanks for the help, the photos on your website are amazing

thanks
steve''


So now lets see what everyones opinion on how to get started is.

thank
steve
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Old 06-10-2007, 04:20 PM
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Re: Gettin Started??????

I'm just a joe average picture taker but the Sony DSC-H2 has ben working out good for me.It has 12x opticle zoom and is very easy to use.I did however feel very outgunned when this grizz apeared along the road in Yellowstone.
I think I had the camera over-zoomed into digital for these pics.The bear was 150 yards away.


I saw a lot of lenses that looked more like spotting scopes pokeing out of all the other vehicles [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/blush.gif[/img] It would be very interesting to see how their pics turned out as there was a lot of movement and focusing was a problem even for the outo focus???
Given time and a good rest though it will take a good pic!

Click here for more pics=Most shot with either the Sony or a Fuji

Along these lines is a big lense hard to use? Does the outo focus still work?
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Old 06-10-2007, 06:46 PM
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Re: Gettin Started??????

Yo Steve!

I'm pretty much in the same boat as you are but have a couple of cameras on hand that I got started with.

One is a simple little Cannon Powershot A85 that I use in conjunctions with my Leica LRF and Nikon XLII Spotting scope. Its a bit of a pain but at least preserves the memory. Sometimes it works great and others it sux. Generally it sux. [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/crazy.gif[/img]

I also have a Cannon EOS 30D that's main function it aerial photographs. It sports a Cannon EFS 10-22mm ultra wide zoom lens. (Keeps flying altitude low which savees a bit on the $4.00+ AV gas) Its also as useless as tits on a boar hog for wild life. If you want something really big to disappear in the photo, this is the lens.

One of the reasons I have a SuperSniper on the AM is I'm hoarding $ for a super hooty super long lens for this camera.

Then scouting will become as rewarding as the actual hunt.

Good luck on your quest.
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Old 06-10-2007, 07:36 PM
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Re: Gettin Started??????

Guys

When Steve emailed me I decided to take a test shot to demonstrate lens focal length-magnification. So here is a shot of a crow decoy I shot in my back yard at 20 yards yesterday. I used 2.5moa of elevation and 2 minutes of left windage. [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]


In discussions of lens focal length and magnification, the convention is to talk in terms of 35mm film camera lens equivalence. So even though I used a 200-400mm zoom lens set at 400mm...we would call this a 600mm equivalent lens because my camera has a 1.5X factor built in. When you shop for a camera and lens combo you need to do some extrapolation to figure your own magnification needs based on subject size and distance.

Here is a link to a website that has excellent reviews of many digital cameras. There you can read all the important specs. Digital Photography Review This is a review of Mach V's Sony camera. It's 12X zoom lens tops out at a 432mm equivalent focal length. Here is a review of the Canon XT-i With this one you would need to add a longer lens. This camera would be an excellent start of a system that could grow with your interest and budget. I would consider buying a good telephoto used on Ebay when you can afford it.

Next photo, since you mentioned Teal, is a Blue Winged Teal I shot from a blind at 25 to 30 yards with a 600mm plus a 1.4X converter. Total focal length equivalence was about 1,260mm.
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Old 06-11-2007, 10:59 AM
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Re: Gettin Started??????

Okay so i think i am gonna go with the XTi. I have seen on Ebay where you can get some for around $800-1000.00 and they come with 18-55mm lens and a 75-300mm lens. How much lens/magnification do i need to be able to take photos as close as the one of your teal but at a distance of 50yds or so???? Also what kind of lens do i need for those up close macro shot???

thanks len

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Old 06-11-2007, 11:19 AM
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Re: Gettin Started??????

lerch,

Here are a couple of pics of a squirrel @ 15 yards. He just happened to be there while I was dinkin' around.

The setup was the Cannon SureShot w/the Leica LRF.

The first pic is @ 7X which is the magnification of of the Leica.

The second pic is @ 21X which is the Leica's 7 X the Sureshot's 3. (I'm not sure that the calc is correct)

I'm never one to give up on a cheap idea [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img], but you can see the quality difference between this rig and Len's [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/blush.gif[/img] [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/blush.gif[/img]

The Cannon XTi is the consumer version of the EOS 30D. It would be a darn good choice

7X @ 15 yds


21X @ 15 yds
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Old 06-11-2007, 12:20 PM
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Re: Gettin Started??????

yea im pretty well set on the XTi as the camera, looks like a good un. Just waiting to see what Len has to say on the lense issue. I just dont know if i can get much closer to alot of the stuff i wanna shoot than 50yds

I think i can get some really interesting pictures of these ducks on this one pond of mine, if you get to watchin them for a while they really do some crazy stuff.

thanks
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