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Old 04-20-2011, 08:56 AM
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Re: Long range arrows???

Sounds like you are fairly new the the archery gig, at least the technical side of it anyway. I would strongly encourage you to join a club or find a good pro shop. They will be able to help you find the right setup.

The right setup means a properly spined arrow for your bow and draw weight. If you plan to shoot long range having your bow/arrow combo tuned correctly is paramount.

I would not go with a 4 inch helical vane like you mentioned. Too much drag. I would look at the short, high profile vanes like the the blazer. If you want to go techie and you shoot a drop away rest then look very hard at the FOB's by Starrflight. They are the best long range shooting fletch I have used. No traditional look but very effective.

A heavier arrow will typically drop less than a lighter arrow if shooting at long range which i consider to be 60+ yards. At closer ranges you may see the lighter arrows drop less but a lot of that depends on your setup. Retained velocity is key as is a proper FOC.

Too my way of thinking you want very tough arrows so I would personally buy quality first even if it gets you fewer arrows. you can always shoot different spots to keep your arrows from ruining another if you are concerned with that issue. I personally really like the Easton FMJ's. I am on year 4 with my practice set and they still spin true. The ACC's are nice too.

HTH,

Scot
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Old 04-20-2011, 11:52 AM
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Sounds like you are fairly new the the archery gig, at least the technical side of it anyway. I would strongly encourage you to join a club or find a good pro shop. They will be able to help you find the right setup.

The right setup means a properly spined arrow for your bow and draw weight. If you plan to shoot long range having your bow/arrow combo tuned correctly is paramount.

I would not go with a 4 inch helical vane like you mentioned. Too much drag. I would look at the short, high profile vanes like the the blazer. If you want to go techie and you shoot a drop away rest then look very hard at the FOB's by Starrflight. They are the best long range shooting fletch I have used. No traditional look but very effective.

A heavier arrow will typically drop less than a lighter arrow if shooting at long range which i consider to be 60+ yards. At closer ranges you may see the lighter arrows drop less but a lot of that depends on your setup. Retained velocity is key as is a proper FOC.

Too my way of thinking you want very tough arrows so I would personally buy quality first even if it gets you fewer arrows. you can always shoot different spots to keep your arrows from ruining another if you are concerned with that issue. I personally really like the Easton FMJ's. I am on year 4 with my practice set and they still spin true. The ACC's are nice too.

HTH,

Scot
I am new to the equipment side but not archery hunting. Been doing it for 17 years but have always just taken the words of the guys at the shop and some friends who have shot competitively. I am going to go to the shop I trust but for a change would like to go in with some ideas so that I know I'm getting whats best for me. I was thinking of fletching a few with 4'', a few fobs, and a few blazers to see what works best. When it comes to selecting a shaft I just don't know what makes one so much better and more expensive than another. Somebody explained the spline thing to me years ago but my memory is short so could you explain it to me again. I sure appreciate the education!
Jason
P.S. My bow is set up for elk with 3-60/340 Superlite ACC's with a 28'' knock to insert length weighing just over 400gr. right now. I was thinking I should go lighter for antelope but you say heavier is better. I consider my current setup being neither heavy or light but somewhere in between. I think they are shooting around 270fps. if I remember right. I used to shoot Redline 410's @ 302fps and was trying to get back to somewhere around there or better. I shoot a Hoyt Xtec at 70lbs. Do you think I should go lighter to try and gain some speed or would I be better off staying with my current setup? My pins are bottomed out at 73 yards and I can shoot that far accurately but want to push my limits farther. I am going to a single pin adjustable sight.

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Old 04-20-2011, 12:20 PM
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I am new to the equipment side but not archery hunting. Been doing it for 17 years but have always just taken the words of the guys at the shop and some friends who have shot competitively. I am going to go to the shop I trust but for a change would like to go in with some ideas so that I know I'm getting whats best for me. I was thinking of fletching a few with 4'', a few fobs, and a few blazers to see what works best. When it comes to selecting a shaft I just don't know what makes one so much better and more expensive than another. Somebody explained the spline thing to me years ago but my memory is short so could you explain it to me again. I sure appreciate the education!
Jason
Spine in simple terms is the stiffness of the shaft. One can buy varying spine stiffness in economy or high end shafts so that shouldn't be much of an issue.

Tolerances add to the cost of an arrow. Straightness and variance in weight are the 2 main ones. I shoot fixed blade heads as mechanicals are illegal in Idaho so straightness is likely more important to me than others. I also think the system used for nock and insert is important. You must have a system that allows for the entire arrow, nock, insert and head, to maintain their true tolerances to the shaft over repeated use. This is one of the reasons I like the inline or HIT system. I think it does the best job of this over time. I have hundreds and hundreds of shots on my practice arrows and they still spin perfectly true even with broadheads.

Work diligently on getting the right spined arrow and a properly tuned bow first. These 2 things are musts before you go any further toward fine tuning for long range performance.
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Old 04-20-2011, 12:31 PM
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Re: Long range arrows???

I added to my earlier post with some more questions for you Scot. Thanks for taking the time to help me!
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Old 04-20-2011, 01:44 PM
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Re: Long range arrows???

I am shooting ACC 3=71s with a 300 spine on a draw lenght of 31 inches and nock to end length of 32.5 inches and a 125 fixed blade. This is out of a Xforce set at 70#. At 40 yards the arrow cleared a calf elk.

I also have some Beeman ICS hunters in 300 spine and they are just as good. For arrows as long as mine you want to keep the spine high. I have some old arrows for my old bow and they are all 340 spine and shoot well enough and that is what all of the arrow charts recommend but for elk the extra weight of the heavier arrows is really good. However I ahve only killed the one small elk with a bow so my experience is somehwat lacking.

I found a straight 3 fletch with Blazers to not be stable and have tried a straight four fletch 75-105 to be much better and to give better cable clearance. I have fletched some more arrows with Arizona Archery vanes that I have not yet shot.

I videoed my arrows in flight but they are too fast to show up well until they get way on out.
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Old 04-20-2011, 03:34 PM
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Re: Long range arrows???

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I am new to the equipment side but not archery hunting. Been doing it for 17 years but have always just taken the words of the guys at the shop and some friends who have shot competitively. I am going to go to the shop I trust but for a change would like to go in with some ideas so that I know I'm getting whats best for me. I was thinking of fletching a few with 4'', a few fobs, and a few blazers to see what works best. When it comes to selecting a shaft I just don't know what makes one so much better and more expensive than another. Somebody explained the spline thing to me years ago but my memory is short so could you explain it to me again. I sure appreciate the education!
Jason
P.S. My bow is set up for elk with 3-60/340 Superlite ACC's with a 28'' knock to insert length weighing just over 400gr. right now. I was thinking I should go lighter for antelope but you say heavier is better. I consider my current setup being neither heavy or light but somewhere in between. I think they are shooting around 270fps. if I remember right. I used to shoot Redline 410's @ 302fps and was trying to get back to somewhere around there or better. I shoot a Hoyt Xtec at 70lbs. Do you think I should go lighter to try and gain some speed or would I be better off staying with my current setup? My pins are bottomed out at 73 yards and I can shoot that far accurately but want to push my limits farther. I am going to a single pin adjustable sight.
Your elk setup is similar to mine. I think I am 425 grains at about 275 fps with FMJ 340's. A few years ago I bought some CE Maximas in 250 and 350 to gain some speed over the FMJ's for an upcoming mule deer hunt. What I found was that past about 55 yards both of the CE's arrows shot with more drop than my heavy arrows did. My pins were tighter from 20-50 but were wider at 50+ yards. 50+ yards is where I really wanted the benefit so I switched back to my elk setup and haven't looked back. I shoot Montana's 7 pin and can get to 85 yards with my 7th pin.

There is a lot of talk on the chat forums about the really light weight arrows shooting very flat. I guess to be fair I haven't tried the really light weight arrows, Maximas are more middle of the road, but I have a hard time believing they will be flatter past 50 yards or so and that is where I would want to see the benefit.

HTH,
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Old 04-20-2011, 05:16 PM
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Re: Long range arrows???

You have inspired me to get my old Redlines out and test them against my ACC's so I will know. Thanks,Jason
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