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Old 05-23-2011, 08:17 AM
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Re: Broadheads- Mech. VS Fixed

I agree with a lot of your statements but this clearly points out two differing thought processes that we typically see no matter the type of hunting. And btw, am not intending to ruffle anyone's feathers here. But again there are two theories:

Use a tougher broadhead so you can shoot the animal no matter the angle (shoot the biggest gun you can) or wait for a good angle and apply precise shot placement. (the people shooting light caliber guns)

I wholeheartedly agree that a more robust head will help the average hunter because that's where the statistics are coming from but broadhead design will never make up for poor shooting ability, lack of practice, and lack of patience. (It doesn't matter how big of a gun you gut shoot an elk with....it's still gut shot.)
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Old 05-25-2011, 07:05 PM
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Re: Broadheads- Mech. VS Fixed

After 50 years of bowing, it comes down to what dirtball eluded too. Tune the bow and it will shoot any broadhead effective and efficiently.

I've shot both and prefer the fixed (Muzzy MX-3). Does the job with no complaints on my end.

Carbon shafts and Muzzies.
I've shot just about everything out there and their all pretty good bows. Currently I shoot PSE Firestorm/55#. Does the job on everything. Razor sharp heads------always!

Practice KISS and you'll avoid most problems related to the compexities of bowing.
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Old 05-25-2011, 09:30 PM
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I agree with a lot of your statements but this clearly points out two differing thought processes that we typically see no matter the type of hunting. And btw, am not intending to ruffle anyone's feathers here. But again there are two theories:

Use a tougher broadhead so you can shoot the animal no matter the angle (shoot the biggest gun you can) or wait for a good angle and apply precise shot placement. (the people shooting light caliber guns)

I wholeheartedly agree that a more robust head will help the average hunter because that's where the statistics are coming from but broadhead design will never make up for poor shooting ability, lack of practice, and lack of patience. (It doesn't matter how big of a gun you gut shoot an elk with....it's still gut shot.)
Great points here.
My problem with mechanicals is what if they don't deploy? Pencil hole in an animal or deploy prematurely and you miss a trophy.
Get fixed blades to fly correctly and you can count on them working. If the first brand or type doesn't work try another, there are hundreds of choices.
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Old 05-26-2011, 03:24 PM
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Re: Broadheads- Mech. VS Fixed

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I agree with a lot of your statements but this clearly points out two differing thought processes that we typically see no matter the type of hunting. And btw, am not intending to ruffle anyone's feathers here. But again there are two theories:

Use a tougher broadhead so you can shoot the animal no matter the angle (shoot the biggest gun you can) or wait for a good angle and apply precise shot placement. (the people shooting light caliber guns)

I wholeheartedly agree that a more robust head will help the average hunter because that's where the statistics are coming from but broadhead design will never make up for poor shooting ability, lack of practice, and lack of patience. (It doesn't matter how big of a gun you gut shoot an elk with....it's still gut shot.)

Not exactly. If you'd look up the little bit of research that has been done, or collect enough yourself; you'd see that even great shots often suffer from crappy broadheads. Some collections of data indicate substantial failure rates when the shot was a 'prefect' broadside shot and all the broadhead hit was a rib.

And unlike the gun side, it's not a trade off. You can have it all with a bow. The only things you can't have together is speed/flat trajectory and heavy arrows. But you can still make precise shots with good, tough broadheads.

I'm not suggesting shooting better broadheads so you can take bad shots and not worry about where you hit. I'm suggesting it because with archery there is a high chance that it could be a 'bad shot' no matter how good you are.

This isn't like arguing big gun vs small gun. This is like arguing hunting bullet vs using light varmint bullet for big game. Yes the 55gn Nosler Ballistic Tip in a 243win will kill deer more than half the time, but it doesn't make it a good choice, and it sure as hell doesn't negate the fact that it will often fail to penetrate vitals and cause a wounded mess.

Ex: I had 4 reports of rage 2blade broadheads hitting nothing but ribs and failing to go into the chest cavity in 2010. This is unexceptable in my book. P.S. one of those customers killed the deer latter in the year and brought the rib with the broadhead stuck in it by the store. Sad.
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Old 05-30-2011, 10:56 AM
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Not exactly. If you'd look up the little bit of research that has been done, or collect enough yourself; you'd see that even great shots often suffer from crappy broadheads. Some collections of data indicate substantial failure rates when the shot was a 'prefect' broadside shot and all the broadhead hit was a rib.

And unlike the gun side, it's not a trade off. You can have it all with a bow. The only things you can't have together is speed/flat trajectory and heavy arrows. But you can still make precise shots with good, tough broadheads.

I'm not suggesting shooting better broadheads so you can take bad shots and not worry about where you hit. I'm suggesting it because with archery there is a high chance that it could be a 'bad shot' no matter how good you are.

This isn't like arguing big gun vs small gun. This is like arguing hunting bullet vs using light varmint bullet for big game. Yes the 55gn Nosler Ballistic Tip in a 243win will kill deer more than half the time, but it doesn't make it a good choice, and it sure as hell doesn't negate the fact that it will often fail to penetrate vitals and cause a wounded mess.

Ex: I had 4 reports of rage 2blade broadheads hitting nothing but ribs and failing to go into the chest cavity in 2010. This is unexceptable in my book. P.S. one of those customers killed the deer latter in the year and brought the rib with the broadhead stuck in it by the store. Sad.
Wellsaid!!! That's pretty compelling evidence on the Rage, I have been interested in those, but never went that route.

Gentlemen, what about the Ramcat?
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Wellsaid!!! That's pretty compelling evidence on the Rage, I have been interested in those, but never went that route.

Gentlemen, what about the Ramcat?

Though I'm not a big fan of mechs, the ramcats have done pretty good in our tests. It's only real failures have come from scapula and legbone impacts.
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Old 05-30-2011, 12:39 PM
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Re: Broadheads- Mech. VS Fixed

Only failures have come from leg bone and scapula impacts and the screws come loose?
What if your shot is off and you hit a leg bone?
The more moving parts, the more that goes wrong. I read one post about a bent blade after shooting a turkey.
Get your bow to shoot a broadhead with no moving parts and you don't need to worry about what didn't work correctly.
Sharpen it up good so it will shave and it doesn't really matter who makes it. The less the blade angle the more penetration but if you shoot deer or turkeys the blade angle doesn't matter much. Most fixed blade broadheads are considerably tougher than mechanical's. The blade is supported along the entire length.
The mechanical heads all have one thing in common, a hinge point, the entire integrity of the head is based on how good the hinge point it is and how much leverage can be exerted on the blade. Some of the hinge points are very weak, some have the hinge point at one end of the blade that allows the blade to bend easier.
If you are shooting big hogs through the front plate or elk you will find out how good your head is.
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