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Old 02-10-2012, 01:18 AM
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Rimfire suppressor or adult air rfie? A breakdown with a question

Been back and forth on this for several months now. I wanted to post here since most here seem to think like me, but should have more experience or different points of view. It will be long winded, so patient and info is appreciated.

I have the basis for either choice, meaning I have a rimfire, and I have an air rifle that is $100 plus air source away from being HPA (High Pressure Air, a subset of PCP, precharged pneumatic). The government registration for buying a suppressor bothers me. I won’t get into specifics, just not a fan of it. So it seems to be the biggest detractor for me. It would also require a trust for the place that I currently have my permanent residence. That leaves room for more issues with an older father, pilot brother, and Japanese national wife. Seems a bit troublesome.

The air rifle conversion ($100 tank and regulator, plus stock “massaging”), is very simple but it looks a little too menacing with an LDC, synthetic stock and scope. I would want to step up to a less menacing rifle which would look like an over/under with a scope.($400-650)

The big picture. Living in Texas doesn’t leave a lot of places to hunt. This means smaller calibers. I enjoy watching small game videos on Youtube, as well as shooting house sparrows at my grandmother’s house. Don’t know where I can even shoot after she passes

The facts
Air rifle – cheaper ammo, less range, less noise, most PCPs have good accuracy out to 75-100+ yards, not a federal firearm, can be filled by nitrogen or compressed air

Rimfire – More expensive for good ammo, more range, little to much more noise, accurate out to 100+, federal firearm, and hushing it will require federal paperwork and a name in a list, as well as following rules if moving or crossing state lines, etc.

Last, to bring the cost factors into focus for those that may not know, I will price out either way, and include 10K rounds of what most say is “good” ammo.

Rimfire - threading is $50 from the neighbor's lathe. Paperwork was supposed to be about $200-300, $200 for the stamp. $250 to $500 for the can $520 for 10K of CCI Standard Velocity.
$50 threading
$200 trust
$200 stamp
$250-500 can
$520 ammo
$1220-1470
10/22 would need some trigger and internal parts to be considered similar in trigger pull to most air rifles.
Pre-charged pneumatic or High Pressure Air. Cheapest route would be a $100 22ci tank with regulator for a HPA RWS 850. Gun was about $300. New PCP would be $400-660 new, minus 15% for used. Shoebox compressor is a 3000 or 4500 psi air compressor. Fittings, hoses, and gauges would be about $200

$100 for HPA conversion
Shoebox $549 plus shipping
$255 for 10K of JSB Exact Jumbo
$200 for misc
$1105 plus guppy tank and fittings
Or sell current air rifle for $250 and buy a PCP for $500 and add $250 to the total.
Compressor can be reduced by visiting a welding supply shop to rent a 6000psi nitrogen bottle, or buying a tank and having it filled at a paintball or dive shop, or a police station. I included to the compressor so that the comparison was self sufficient.

As you can see, the numbers are pretty close. After having read all of this, first let me say thank you for sticking around, next, let me ask, if you were in my shoes, which route would you take. Please include why, I am all ears.
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Old 02-10-2012, 08:53 AM
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Re: Rimfire suppressor or adult air rfie? A breakdown with a question

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Been back and forth on this for several months now. I wanted to post here since most here seem to think like me, but should have more experience or different points of view. It will be long winded, so patient and info is appreciated.

I have the basis for either choice, meaning I have a rimfire, and I have an air rifle that is $100 plus air source away from being HPA (High Pressure Air, a subset of PCP, precharged pneumatic). The government registration for buying a suppressor bothers me. I won’t get into specifics, just not a fan of it. So it seems to be the biggest detractor for me. It would also require a trust for the place that I currently have my permanent residence. That leaves room for more issues with an older father, pilot brother, and Japanese national wife. Seems a bit troublesome.

The air rifle conversion ($100 tank and regulator, plus stock “massaging”), is very simple but it looks a little too menacing with an LDC, synthetic stock and scope. I would want to step up to a less menacing rifle which would look like an over/under with a scope.($400-650)

The big picture. Living in Texas doesn’t leave a lot of places to hunt. This means smaller calibers. I enjoy watching small game videos on Youtube, as well as shooting house sparrows at my grandmother’s house. Don’t know where I can even shoot after she passes

The facts
Air rifle – cheaper ammo, less range, less noise, most PCPs have good accuracy out to 75-100+ yards, not a federal firearm, can be filled by nitrogen or compressed air

Rimfire – More expensive for good ammo, more range, little to much more noise, accurate out to 100+, federal firearm, and hushing it will require federal paperwork and a name in a list, as well as following rules if moving or crossing state lines, etc.

Last, to bring the cost factors into focus for those that may not know, I will price out either way, and include 10K rounds of what most say is “good” ammo.

Rimfire - threading is $50 from the neighbor's lathe. Paperwork was supposed to be about $200-300, $200 for the stamp. $250 to $500 for the can $520 for 10K of CCI Standard Velocity.
$50 threading
$200 trust
$200 stamp
$250-500 can
$520 ammo
$1220-1470
10/22 would need some trigger and internal parts to be considered similar in trigger pull to most air rifles.
Pre-charged pneumatic or High Pressure Air. Cheapest route would be a $100 22ci tank with regulator for a HPA RWS 850. Gun was about $300. New PCP would be $400-660 new, minus 15% for used. Shoebox compressor is a 3000 or 4500 psi air compressor. Fittings, hoses, and gauges would be about $200

$100 for HPA conversion
Shoebox $549 plus shipping
$255 for 10K of JSB Exact Jumbo
$200 for misc
$1105 plus guppy tank and fittings
Or sell current air rifle for $250 and buy a PCP for $500 and add $250 to the total.
Compressor can be reduced by visiting a welding supply shop to rent a 6000psi nitrogen bottle, or buying a tank and having it filled at a paintball or dive shop, or a police station. I included to the compressor so that the comparison was self sufficient.

As you can see, the numbers are pretty close. After having read all of this, first let me say thank you for sticking around, next, let me ask, if you were in my shoes, which route would you take. Please include why, I am all ears.
I Have a Air Force Condor In .22 I like it Also you can get Different barrels for it . Have a .25 cal Barrel also. And can find LDC . for it . Its Very Quiet.
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Old 02-10-2012, 02:55 PM
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Re: Rimfire suppressor or adult air rfie? A breakdown with a question

Buy a ruger 10/22 and replace the hammer [this will help with trigger ]
look at the gaurdian 22 suppressor $ 189-$229 + $200 tax stamp + sherriffs background check $18 or so . The guardian has been compared to the silencerco sparrow . The 10/22 barrels can be bought on line already threaded in a heavy contour.
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Old 02-10-2012, 08:21 PM
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Re: Rimfire suppressor or adult air rfie? A breakdown with a question

have a VQ hammer and sear in the drawer
Sheriff won't do it, hence the trust. Williamson County is not the place to be a criminal. I was going for cheapest. Anything above is an upgrade and not "needed". Threaded barrels are at least $150, the price of my 10/22
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Old 02-12-2012, 11:00 AM
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Re: Rimfire suppressor or adult air rfie? A breakdown with a question

Since you currently have limited places to shoot, I'd really sell the air rifle that you have and buy a moderated PCP. An air rifle will allow you to shoot places that you cannot with a firearm, even indoors in your house with the appropriate pellet trap. Air rifles, with a good moderator are damn near silent except for the hammer striking the valve to release the compressed gas, and the noise that the pellet makes hitting the target. No tax form needed for a moderated air rifle too.

The ammo is cheaper long term.

For resale value down the road, a factory PCP will bring more $ than doing the modifications to the gun that you already have.
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Old 02-12-2012, 05:27 PM
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Re: Rimfire suppressor or adult air rfie? A breakdown with a question

Esshup, to be honest I already have too much in the gun already. I got it tuned, but that doesn't really add to the value. For what they are selling for used, I would have to convert to be able to get some money back. Or I could leave it in the safe and use it for warm weather shooting (CO2 at 32F isn't very fun). Depending on how important warranty and easily replaceable parts are, I can have a Benjamin Maruader, for about $400ish, or a better fitting, lighter more powerful, and more shot count Evanix Rainstorm, but being Korean, wouldn't be able to as easily source parts for it. Or, step up to something from England and split the difference.

But, then I will have one quiet weapon, instead of as many little ones as I pay the $50 for threading for.
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Old 03-08-2012, 10:00 PM
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Re: Rimfire suppressor or adult air rfie? A breakdown with a question

Airguns of Arizona is now selling the Benjamin Marauder in .22Cal for $399.99.

This is less than a firearms suppressor + $200 tax stamp costs, you get an entire PCP rifle of hunting class with a built-in suppressor.

It is almost the equal of a BSA R-10 that sells for $995, except the Marauder isn't regulated. You don't really need regulation in a hunting air rifle, just pump up to proper pressure every 10 rounds or so. Regulation cuts your max power a bit, is more prone to leaks, costs quite a bit, weighs more.

Marauder + scope + pump + tactical light can be had for the cost of the BSA R-10. I own a BSA in .25 Cal, but the Banjamin Marauder is a better value. BSA is probably the best value in a Brit PCP air rifle, but spare mags are expensive. Benjamin mags are $15. Any Brit, German, Korean or Swedish air rifle will probably be a hassle to get repaired.

GAMO is now the USA distributor of BSA air rifles, as they now own BSA. Airguns of Arizona seems to have dumped their BSA line and are almost sold out. They did have a used BSA SuperTen for sale, which is one of the best Brit air rifles ever made.

With a new Marauder going for same or less than a new CZ 455, the price disadvantge PCP rifles have had vs .22LR rimfire has pretty much faded.

GAMO sells a BSA Sportsman HV under the GAMO name, at $600 retail MSRP, which means you can get it for less. It has the separate bolt and cocking mechanism which alllows you to cock the rifle just before taking a shot, which is the safest method available. You shouldn't carry a cocked air rifle with a light match trigger, even if the safety is engaged.

Cost of .22LR ammo doesn't bother me much, as the cost of driving to a hunting spot usually far exceeds quality pellets or rimfire ammo cost.
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