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Old 10-13-2013, 05:35 PM
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Re: Volume vs weight 777

Thanks for the advise Encore, I see a trip to BPS is in order for me to get some BH209.
Im looking forward to trying out your load data at the range

I already did the Mike Bellm's trigger tuneup kit, headspace shims and heavy duty locking bolts springs forall of my other TC barrels. That was the best thing I could have done to my Pro Hunter, what a great shooting gun I have now. Mike was great to talk to and what great customer service. He helped me get everything I needed in very timely manner.

Randy
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Old 10-13-2013, 10:09 PM
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Re: Volume vs weight 777

Well my goal is to try to get my muzzleloader to shoot just a little better. It's shooting great now for what it is but I like to squeeze every drop of accuracy out of all my guns. It's a passion I guess. My setup is:

CVA Optima Pro .50
Nikon omega was on it but I switched to a Bushnell elite since I prefer dialing
Leupold steel rings


I've been shooting the regular pyrodex pellets. 2 pellets (100 grains) under TC Shockwave 250 grn bullets. All of these, gun, bullets, and pellets are what I'd call less than precision components, but it shoots 5" groups at 300 yards. So I thought by weighing powder and switching to one of the supposed better bullets like a Barnes that maybe I can squeeze her down to say 4" at 300 and have a fair long range muzzleloader. This one seems to be a real shooter for what it is.
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Old 10-14-2013, 07:28 AM
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............I've been shooting the regular pyrodex pellets. 2 pellets (100 grains) under TC Shockwave 250 grn bullets. All of these, gun, bullets, and pellets are what I'd call less than precision components, but it shoots 5" groups at 300 yards. So I thought by weighing powder and switching to one of the supposed better bullets like a Barnes that maybe I can squeeze her down to say 4" at 300 and have a fair long range muzzleloader. This one seems to be a real shooter for what it is.
IMO if you want long range accuracy from a production muzzleloader, loose is the way to go. I've read many posts where shooters have shot through chronographs many rounds with pellets and the differences in fps is considerable. Then these same shooters shot WEIGHED loose powder through the chronograph with very little difference in fps. Although there are other variables involved, such as bullet seating force, with the difference in pellets vs loose powder and fps, loose weighed definitely gives better consistency.

The Shockwave can be a very accurate bullet and I've shot a few myself but, found that performance on game didn't meet my standards. Although they're a reasonably priced bullet and in most rifles can be very accurate, I've seen some that have exploded, where others haven't expanded properly. Lots of guys shoot them and their different colored tip twin, the SST, both made by Hornady.

Now don't quote me on this but, I believe with centerfire shooters, that they really don't have concerns shooting a BT or Spitzer out to 200yds, with neither bullet having the edge. Its the ranges beyond 200yds where the BT starts to have the edge. With the muzz, I'm looking for ANY contributing factor that might add even the slightest improvement, which is why I shoot the Barnes 250gr TMZ, which is a BT. How much of an edge is gives, really isn't important if it gives even the slightest edge. There's no question on its reliability and performance on game.

Here's some examples of Shockwave performance.






Barnes performance....





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Old 10-14-2013, 09:03 PM
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Re: Volume vs weight 777

Thanks encore. I deffinately am going to try the TMZ. I have only shot two deer with the shockwave and am not really impressed. Killed the first deer (10pt) well but did not do as much damage as I like. The second deer, a doe my friend shot with this gun ran about 40 yards and laid down. 20 min later we killed it with a knife. Bullet punched straight through with no expansion.

I think my plan for now is to volume measure some 125 grain loads and weigh them. Average out a number and the weigh the powder under a tmz. I think I will get better performance. We will see.
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Old 10-14-2013, 10:33 PM
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Re: Volume vs weight 777

Good thread..... Is CO the only state that doesn't allow sabots? I really wish we could try some of these better bullets, stuck with powerbelts I guess.
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Old 10-15-2013, 05:51 AM
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Re: Volume vs weight 777

I used the power belts when they first came out. Accuracy was fair in this gun and game performance was pretty good. They expanded better than the shock waves for sure
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Old 10-15-2013, 06:29 AM
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Good thread..... Is CO the only state that doesn't allow sabots? I really wish we could try some of these better bullets, stuck with powerbelts I guess.
NOT SO.................

Personally......... I don't have one good thing to say about the PB bullet. If there is an unreliable bullet, that's #1. More hunters have lost more animals to that bullet than any other that I know of. There are much better choices available......

Here's a bullet you can use in CO and its a Barnes.... https://thorbullets.com/

Read the information on it. MANY shooters in the western states which don't allow saboted bullets are using these. Same Barnes performance
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