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Old 02-10-2014, 06:24 AM
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Re: Ultimate Muzzleloader......

For all practical hunting purposes, 500 yard kills and less are the norm really. The Ultimate is very slick. I've watched their video over and over and they shoot and re load almost as fast a magazine system. Pretty impressive for a day in day out rig. I would like to get one too, maybe that's the ticket for me too. Their system is pure quality and not really that expensive if you like custom. It is custom for sure as far as muzzleloaders go.

Great choice.
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Old 02-10-2014, 08:15 AM
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a smokeless rig shooting BH209 IMO is the better way to go than being stuck with pellets.
Because you're not aware, some owners ARE shooting BH209 from the Ultimate rifle. I've done months of research on the differences in smokeless and the Ultimate. I'm not knocking smokeless and won't. However, even with the best built smokeless rifle, there's a limit to the BH209 you can use and what it will do. Both have pretty much been defined by all the smokeless shooters already. You'll find that those smokeless shooters are shooting smokeless powder for a reason.
So just having a smokeless rifle and shooting BH209 from it, won't give any more significant advantage than shooting a Pro Hunter or Apex.

Oh don't get me wrong, I don't like shooting pellets either, having shot BH209 since it became available here. I've always said that I'd never shoot pellets again but, I didn't have a custom rifle with these capabilities either. But the more you research and discuss shooting the Ultimate, when shooting 3 magnum T7 pellets the entire charge is completely burned in the first 9" of barrel at ignition. This eliminates any crud rings that shooters experience with every other muzzleloader.
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Old 02-10-2014, 08:58 AM
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The way the guy in the Ultimate Muzzleloader video drops the pellets in and seats the bullet is pretty slick. For muzzleloading I don't think it gets any better. Now, if you want to go to smokeless, you probably aren't going to go to 209 anyway. Check out Bad Bull muzzleloaders if you want smokeless, they seem the best at that. I like the Ultimate, and may buy one. Their organization and videos look really professional and knowledgeable. Pricing isn't that bad either. You can always upgrade some of the features even if you buy their basic package. Good stuff, pellets aren't that bad. They use a hot federal primer in a 45 lc case I believe, it helps the burn rate I'd guess. A very slick system and safe which is very important in muzzleloading.
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Old 02-10-2014, 09:18 AM
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The way the guy in the Ultimate Muzzleloader video drops the pellets in and seats the bullet is pretty slick. For muzzleloading I don't think it gets any better. Now, if you want to go to smokeless, you probably aren't going to go to 209 anyway. Check out Bad Bull muzzleloaders if you want smokeless, they seem the best at that. I like the Ultimate, and may buy one. Their organization and videos look really professional and knowledgeable. Pricing isn't that bad either. You can always upgrade some of the features even if you buy their basic package. Good stuff, pellets aren't that bad. They use a hot federal primer in a 45 lc case I believe, it helps the burn rate I'd guess. A very slick system and safe which is very important in muzzleloading.
I've had many conversations with Ken Johnston and there's no doubt, they're very good people. Mine will have the muzzle brake and McMillan thumbhole stock. My assumption is that it will take me another year to put together the complete package as I'll want it. Excellent glass for the top of it isn't cheap either. I haven't decided totally on that yet, rather it will be a Leupold VX6 or Mark series.

This whole endeavor I'm on isn't using a single fund from the savings accounts. When I started on this project, the wife told me to sell firearms that I never used or "GET A JOB!" Well so far I haven't picked up the paper and looked for a job. I don't blame her one bit, as I spend way to much money shooting the muzz. She starts to shiver every time I'm at the computer with the charge card in my hand, especially since I just dumped $500 on bullets alone.

The Ultimate uses a .45 Winchester Magnum case with a magnum rifle primer. I'm putting in an order for 500 pieces of brass soon.
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Old 02-10-2014, 12:36 PM
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Re: Ultimate Muzzleloader......

Encore,

Don't let anyone talk you out of this rifle. You are doing what you can for the situation you have and you are getting it done. At least you won't be shooting and testing your rifle at 50 yards and bragging about your groups at 50. You will be doing it at 500 who can say that? What I don't understand is how someone can run test on rifles and bullets at 50 yards and say "Yep this is an accurate set up!"

Can't wait to see your groups at 500 bet you can't do it with a regular bp! Good luck!
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Old 02-10-2014, 01:41 PM
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Encore,

Don't let anyone talk you out of this rifle. You are doing what you can for the situation you have and you are getting it done. At least you won't be shooting and testing your rifle at 50 yards and bragging about your groups at 50. You will be doing it at 500 who can say that? What I don't understand is how someone can run test on rifles and bullets at 50 yards and say "Yep this is an accurate set up!"

Can't wait to see your groups at 500 bet you can't do it with a regular bp! Good luck!
Thanks. You can bet no one is going to talk me out of the Ultimate. There's no other muzzleloader that can shoot as well, clean as easy and certainly not as accurate. I don't have a 500yd range in the back yard or across the road but, there is one at the local Sportsman club. It looks like they'll be getting a new member...

If there's anything I'm not liking about getting the rifle, is having to wait for all this snow to go down and warm up. I definitely want to take them up on shooting it first with them. A wise decision IMO. I sometimes, well mostly, have little patience waiting to shoot but, this is exciting too. Its like the anticipation of your first date....... BETTER than Christmas... LOL
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Old 02-10-2014, 07:22 PM
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Re: Ultimate Muzzleloader......

I'm still waiting on Luke to finish my McRem hope to see it by the end of the week. It's painful to wait I want to be shooting while it's still cold out. A friend and I are trying to find the right combo to shoot 500+ yards with out having to buy the mh or ap bullets Luke carries. If we have to then so be it thinking the BE's will work. It's nice having a guy carry everything you need though has always been great to work with.

I'd be pushing my 4x4 to the limit to get your gun if I was in your shoes!
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