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Old 10-19-2008, 09:11 PM
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Cabelas sell the Gibbs rifle, I believe it is a .451 There is a lot of people on the US muzzle loader team shooting that rifle in competition all over the world. I good friend or mine shoots on the US team, he has a Parker Hale .451 and an original that he shoots out to 1200 yds without a problem. I shot his Parker Hale a few times and was very impressed, so much so, when one came available I grabbed it on the spot. I have had it for few years now and haven't had the time to get the proper sights shoot it, being retired now I will soon.
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Old 02-14-2009, 08:54 AM
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What load where you using with the Savage
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Old 05-21-2009, 03:19 PM
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I need clearification on the real story behind the smokeless Savage 10 that blew up on Toby Bridges and nearly killed him! Was this operator error or machine malfunction? I don't think he shoots the Savage anymore! I believe I read somewhere he is only shooting his Knight & T/C's.


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Old 05-28-2009, 02:08 AM
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I can and have built several long range "smokeless" muzzle-loaders built on a Remington 700 short actions in .45 caliber. I hate to give out too much info., but I'll give you guys some. I'm getting consistent velocities of just over 3000 fps with a 275 grain bare (no sabot) bullet. Over 5000 fpe at the muzzle. They will group 3 shots under .5" all day long in 30 degree to 90+ temps. (one day to the next here). At 300 yards we normally see 3 shot groups under 2.5". My best 3 shot groups have been under .250" at 100 yards, under 2" at 300 yards, and under 5" at 600 yards. I'll go against any muzzle-loader out there with one of these. The pressure levels are below safe levels. I would not pull the trigger if I didn't know that.

Oh yeah, I've been a member here for a while (lurking), and I think this is my first post. I just couldn't stay quiet anymore. Take it easy on me!
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Old 06-02-2009, 11:45 AM
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Your results seem similar to the Richards Custom and other similar rifles.

Another board offers drop-in barrels from Pac-nor for Savage and Remington actions. Most do go with the 45 to shoot sabotless bullets.
I prefer to shoot sabots since I can shoot bullets with much higher BC's, but sabotless does offer a much cheaper cost per shot, and almost automatic accuracy....assuming the wind does not kill the shot


PS while I do like the 45 for my sabots I would definitely go back to my Gibbs 505 barrel but with a 10 twist to shoot the 300 grain SMK's and the soon to be Berger 300 grainers! I can barely get the 250 grain Accubonds stable with my 14 twist!

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Old 06-02-2009, 12:15 PM
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Are you saying that you shoot SMK's and VLD's out of a muzle loader. How does that work? Be gentle I'm more of a center fire guy.

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Old 06-02-2009, 12:40 PM
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Originally Posted by cavtrooper94 View Post
Are you saying that you shoot SMK's and VLD's out of a muzle loader. How does that work? Be gentle I'm more of a center fire guy.

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I machine sabots for my barrel. Here is a cutaway of one with a 250 Accubond:

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