The ULTIMATE MUZZLE-LOADER!

[RMulhern]

Custom Muzzleloader - Inline Muzzleloader - BP Xpress: Ultimate Muzzleloader


Custom Muzzleloader - Inline Muzzleloader - BP Xpress: Ultimate Muzzleloader

[Len Backus]

Pretty cool.

When I was shifting to a county that didn't allow rifles for deer hunting, I seriously considered these. Decided on a centerfire handgun instead. But this would have been my BP choice.

[Roll-Yur-Own]

Why would anyone spend that much for a muzzleloader that still uses BP or BP subs like pyrodex?

You could get a savage smokeless for 20% of that price or even a "NULA" New Ultra Light Arms for $1500 which is a full custom smokeless Muzzleloader.

[WSmitty01]

There are still quite a few states that don't allow "smokeless' powder and more are coming, also some states have a lot more and better seasons for more "traditional" muzzleloaders.

[Roll-Yur-Own]

The fact is the Savage doesn't shoot pyrodex or other BP subs as well as it shoots smokeless, but, I can't see any rifle shooting pyrodex pellets into 1/2" groups at 100 yards. So, why would anyone pay $2500 for a rifle that shoots pyrodex?

If you can't shoot smokeless then get a knight or TC.

[RMulhern]

Originally Posted by Roll-Yur-Own

The fact is the Savage doesn't shoot pyrodex or other BP subs as well as it shoots smokeless, but, I can't see any rifle shooting pyrodex pellets into 1/2" groups at 100 yards. So, why would anyone pay $2500 for a rifle that shoots pyrodex?

If you can't shoot smokeless then get a knight or TC.

Roll-Yur-Own

I don't think so! Savage....needs to go back to the drawing board with their so-called 'smokeless' ML! Smokeless powder is much more difficult to ignite than blackpowder and IMO....the breech-plug on the Savage is built with a lot of length to it such that the flashtube is much too long and even with the powders that Savage is recommending.....ignition is not consistant! The 209 primer just isn't hot enough to 'jump' 1 1/2" to lite things up...in a consistant manner. Think about this: In a regular smokeless powder case....the powder sits right atop the primer and a F215 primer lights the powder up quite well. The 'fire'....doesn't have to jump at all and ignition is excellent! Not so....with the design of the Savage and especially with a 209 primer!

Blackpowder is the MOST ACCURATE powder in the world! Bar none! And anyone that has done any reading of historical events involving shooting know about this! Blackpowder is used on battleships and one of those big guns can drop a round atop your head from 25 miles off and that's no BS! What gives folks the 'willies' about BP....is the fact that supposedly BP is corrosive and difficult to clean; tain't so....as for the cleaning goes and this thinking is a 'hold-over' from the old 'Hawken days' and info about breaking the rifle out of the stock and plunging the barrel out with hot water and soap! Might be so with a Hawken but with a barrel that has a removable breech plug or a BPCR....cleaning is easier than removing copper fouling from a smokeless barrel and if you shoot enough copper gilding bullets...you will eventually have copper fouling within the bore!

The basic reason we've seen the advent of the smokeless powder 'inlines' is because of 'Commercialism' and the fact that many folks just don't understand blackpowder or how to use it!!

FOLLOW-UP:

We worked with one of these rifles yesterday for several hours and at 100 yds. it will 'clover-leaf' 3 shots....if you hold it! At 200 yds. it will hold 1.75" for 5 shots....all day long! At 300 yds.....still no contest as it will easily hold 2.75" with an occasional 5 shot group going to 3.0"! That's shooting a 275 gr. bullet with the recommended sabots and using what????....225 grs. 777 substitute! Over the years I know guys that have purchased 3-4 so-called accurate 'muzzle-stuffers' with no telling how many $$$$ pissed off trying to obtain a rifle that shot with consistant results; all to no avail! I have seen a few of these rifles that did shoot quite well but in the final analysis....if a guy wants to make a one-time purchase of a rifle that WILL DELIVER better than excellent accuracy...this may be the way to go and I dare say that $2500.00 would be CHEAP compared to 3-4 other rifles over a period of time! We didn't get to test back to 400 yds. but that's coming! Dark thirty caught us and we lost the light!

[Roll-Yur-Own]

Sharpsman, the muzzleloader in not hard to clean. But, if your shooting Pyrodex you have to clean it every time you use it. Not so with smokeless.

Most "black power" rifle owners shoot black powder subs anyway not actual black powder.

The savage is $500-700 and the gun you mentioned is $2500. I put my money on the savage. I shoot about 3/4" to 1.25" groups at 100 yards. I don't need to shoot it past 200 anyway, but I know guys who have taken game out to 300.

If you want to compare your gun to another muzzleloader, compare it to the NULA, "New Ultra Light Arms" the website is Ultra Light Arms - custom made rifles
They cost about $1500 and will shoot some amazing groups.

A muzzleloader will never be as consistant as a modern rifle. I'm not saying accurate, I'm saying consistent. First off, you will always have more flyers with a muzzleloader smokeless or not. It just the way it is. You are pouring powder down a barrel and pushing a bullet on top. Especially in a hunting situation when your adrenalin is pumping.

I'll stick with my savage before I spend $2500 for a gun that shoots pyrodex.