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Trouble with first shot accuracy with T/C Prohunter 50 cal.

 
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Old 01-30-2012, 01:01 PM
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Re: Trouble with first shot accuracy with T/C Prohunter 50 cal.

Been thinking about fliers and wondering just how many may actually have UNEXPLAINED fliers. I defined questions that I asked, making sure that those who responded, understood what UNEXPLAINED ment.

UNEXPLAINED FLIERS was defined as a bullet that you have no explaination as to why it shot like it did or completely missed the POA. In other words, trying to take the "human factor" out of the question as best as possible.

Twentynine (29) people responded to my questions....

ONLY ONE (1) reported that they expierence unexplained fliers. Which amounted to 3.7% of the respondents.

40.7% (13) of the respondents, reported that they NEVER have filers what so ever of any kind.

37% (10) reported that it was extremely rare that they ever had a flier. Most contribute it to a number of "human" contributing factors, associated with the shooter. Things such as poor or improper trigger pull, poor body position, inconsistent loading, and even down to breathing.

18.5% (5) reported that they only have fliers when shooting a specific bullet.

I know that there can be many ways to interpet the results of my questions but, its pretty clear that of the shooters that responed, only one shooter expierenced unexplained fliers.

One can be relatively certain that those that have fliers when only shooting a specific bullet, don't shoot that bullet after recognizing that fact. If one considers that, then one could imagine that close to 60% of shooters NEVER have unexplained fliers.

That would leave the 37% that say they may have an unexplained flier but, RARELY. I would never go out on a limb so far as to suggest what percentage of those shooters may have actually caused the flier themselves but, eliminating the human factor would greatly reduce the percentage.

Quite interesting when only one of twenty nine shooters have UNEXPLAINED fliers.
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Old 01-31-2012, 06:16 PM
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Re: Trouble with first shot accuracy with T/C Prohunter 50 cal.

Try this load, my Prohunter loves this load out to 200 yards 1.5" MOA.

110 grs. "by volume" BH209 - 250 gr. Barnes TMZ - Harvester crushed rib sabot "Yellow" for boat tail bullets - Win 209 primer for shotshell.

The key with this bullet is the Harvester Sabot.

Measure your load by volume first then weigh it on a digital scale. Should be around 72.5grs. Whatever you get make sure all your loads are excactly the same.

Consistantcy...consistancy...consistantcy!!!!!
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Old 01-31-2012, 07:52 PM
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Re: Trouble with first shot accuracy with T/C Prohunter 50 cal.

I just posted my own thread about a conical bullet I found, go to prbullet.com & look at the Conical Ultimate 1, also, under his questions he gives lots of info on elk bullets, etc. I have no experience with them but there are review on the site. I just wanted to find out more about this conical if it wa solid lead or whatever. Also, I tried the Great Plains conical 385grs. I didn't have time to put them through a big test but 1st report is they did good in my New Frontier inline. I just got a new CVA Optima and the bullet is too tight. Check the bullet and reviews out at Cabelas.com. The reviews said the CVA was too tight. Tstick
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Old 01-31-2012, 09:31 PM
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Re: Trouble with first shot accuracy with T/C Prohunter 50 cal.

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Try this load, my Prohunter loves this load out to 200 yards 1.5" MOA.

110 grs. "by volume" BH209 - 250 gr. Barnes TMZ - Harvester crushed rib sabot "Yellow" for boat tail bullets - Win 209 primer for shotshell.

The key with this bullet is the Harvester Sabot.

Measure your load by volume first then weigh it on a digital scale. Should be around 72.5grs. Whatever you get make sure all your loads are excactly the same.

Consistantcy...consistancy...consistantcy!!!!!
The coversion is .7 for BH209. I shoot 75grs by weight, which comes out to 107.1grs volume. ( 75w/.7= 107.1grs by volume) 110 grs by volume would be 77 grs by weight. (110v *.7=77grs by weight) MAXIMUM charge would be (120v *.7=84grs by weight), which is the listed MAXIMUM per Western.

FAQs Blackhorn 209 FAQ #5

Pro Hunters just love the load that you shoot. What's even better yet, the Barnes bullets never fail.
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Old 01-31-2012, 10:41 PM
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Re: Trouble with first shot accuracy with T/C Prohunter 50 cal.

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Elite Muzzleloader...... It works the same for me but, I too can't understand why someone has flyiers from every rifle that they shoot, when shooting sabots. I know a lot of people and talk with many more, that shoot muzzleloaders with sabots and unless they're shooting a Powerbelt bullet, they don't report flyiers.

Here in Michigan many hunters, especially in the shotgun only zone, are switching over to muzzleloaders because of their accuracy, range and consistency. Many in the rifle zone are starting to choose the muzzleloader over the centerfire, because they have confidence in them. The most commonly found bullets that shoot the best and with the tightest groups from MI shooters, are the Barnes 250gr TMZ, Shockwave 250gr and the SST 250gr. The Barnes 290gr TMZ or the T-EZ are also shot by many.

My Pro Hunter will shoot better than I can shoot it, as I'm getting older and my eyes aren't getting any better. Its becoming easier to recognize when I'm having a "good" day vs a so, so day. But one thing that I was taught many years ago, was to be consistent with everything, which is why I convert my charges to weight, then weigh each charge. With each charge being identical, it leaves me with just two possible contributing factors, seating pressure and of course the shooter (me). There's no "standard" when it comes to volume measures and there can be considerable differences in charges from one to another. Even using the same volume measure, you can vary your charges up to almost 10grs. by weight. This can be a significent contributing factor.

I love this stuff........ Good shoot'n by the way

If I do this right??? This is how my rifle will shoot consistently at 150yds, if I do my part (a good day)...
ENCORE
Pro-hunter
The load I started out with was
200gr shock wave
Blackthorn 209 120grs
Win 209
I could consistantly put three shots in a 1/2" group at 100yds
I tried the win triple 7 primers and this was the only time I had hang fires then went back to the standard win 209 primers. After I ran out of the 200gr shockwaves I got more but they seemed to have a different shade of blue and accuracy went south. They loaded with almost no force too as the earlier ones took a significant amount of force to load witch was good.
I recently switched to the Barnes 250gr TMZ. I have yet to see how they shoot. Hopefully soon.

Last edited by meatyrem; 01-31-2012 at 10:42 PM. Reason: Forgot to mention weapon
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Old 01-31-2012, 11:08 PM
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Re: Trouble with first shot accuracy with T/C Prohunter 50 cal.

Like I said try the Harvester sabot. The barnes sabot is smooth and not as thick and will hang onto the bullet for 25-40 yards down range. The Harvester is a crushed rib sabot and a little thicker resulting in a more consistant buttercup that falls off the bullet in under 10 yards. The longer a sabot hangs onto a bullet the longer it takes that bullet to stabilize. The pedals of a sabot are like a parachute however if one or two side bend back more than the others or even break off, it will cant the bullet in flight making it more differcult for the bullet to stabilze. These Harvester sabots are a "consistant" uniform buttercup like shape with no broken pedals when you pick them up down range. With my load they actually drop off after 8 yards. I have done extensive testing with all sorts of sabots.

It does make a world of differance in the accuracy. Try it for yourself ;)

50 sabots for $9 bucks.

50 Cal Crushed Rib Sabot for .451 Cal Boattail Bullet
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Old 02-01-2012, 06:49 AM
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Re: Trouble with first shot accuracy with T/C Prohunter 50 cal.

One tool that I use which adds to the type of accuracy I am getting is using a "Spin Jag" to seat the bullet. It allows the sabot to follow the rifling as it makes it way down the barrel instead of scoring the sides of the sabot. The Harvester Sabots are crushed rib to better grab the rifling. I use one on my ball starter and one on the ram rod. T/C sells the right spinning jag for the Barnes TMZ that is deep enough for the pointed bullet.

Consistant seating pressure is another key to consistant accuracy as well.

Hope this helps
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