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Trouble with first shot accuracy with T/C Prohunter 50 cal.

 
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Old 01-06-2012, 02:01 AM
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Re: Trouble with first shot accuracy with T/C Prohunter 50 cal.

This all sounds like alot of improvement is needed onTC's part.Since when should a customer have to invest more money after the 800.00+ dollars you have just spent! Thats bull----! Bet Jim Shockey didn't have that problem with his! And TC's ok with a 3" group @ 50yrds.or worst!! Know wonder I had trouble with sighting in my Encore .50. i TOOK MY ENTIRE SCOPE&MOUNT OFF! tHEN REASSEMBLED. They should come up with a universal fix!!!! thanks for remedies the company won't post!!
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Old 01-06-2012, 07:27 AM
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Re: Trouble with first shot accuracy with T/C Prohunter 50 cal.

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This all sounds like alot of improvement is needed onTC's part.Since when should a customer have to invest more money after the 800.00+ dollars you have just spent! Thats bull----! Bet Jim Shockey didn't have that problem with his! And TC's ok with a 3" group @ 50yrds.or worst!! Know wonder I had trouble with sighting in my Encore .50. i TOOK MY ENTIRE SCOPE&MOUNT OFF! tHEN REASSEMBLED. They should come up with a universal fix!!!! thanks for remedies the company won't post!!
Yes, it is something that T/C should handle but, one has to remember that its also a production firearm and with the case of trigger pull, they may consider it a liability going any lighter. As for the case of the hinge pin, it can also be an issue with the CVA Apex, now that more of them are in the hands of shooters.

Fortunately for the shooter, customizing an Encore or Pro Hunter isn't costly and every shooter that I know of that's made these changes, all report that it feels like a completely different rifle. These changes can make a HUGE difference in the way it shoots and groups.
  • Trigger Spring........................ $7.95
  • Hinge Pins............................. $9.95
  • Locking Bolt Spring................ $2.95
  • HD Firing Pin Spring............... $2.95
  • 44# Hammer Spring.............. $7.95
  • ..............................................$31.05 plus shipping.
I've made these changes to all of the Encores and the Pro Hunter and the change is a remarkable difference. We just did one for the Commander of the U.S. Coast Guard, Alpena Station (NE MI, Lake Huron) and he could not be any happier! He went from 4" groups down to instant 3/4" groups.

In the case of the trigger spring, be sure to download the free instructions from Mike's web page and take note of the sear instructions. It can be difficult the first time but, its something that should be learned by all Encore platform shooters. The ability to disassemble the frame and clean it, should be completed by all shooters. Especially those that may have excessive head space and a lot of blow back, which by the way can also be fixed, by installing a shim behind the breech. Shims are also made and sold by Bellmtc.

Just a side note..... My bet is each and every rifle that Shockey receives, is already customized by the T/C Custom Shop and, as a sponsor its a free rifle.

Good luck with your rifle and good shooting....
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Old 01-06-2012, 11:00 PM
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Re: Trouble with first shot accuracy with T/C Prohunter 50 cal.

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This all sounds like alot of improvement is needed onTC's part.Since when should a customer have to invest more money after the 800.00+ dollars you have just spent! Thats bull----! Bet Jim Shockey didn't have that problem with his! And TC's ok with a 3" group @ 50yrds.or worst!! Know wonder I had trouble with sighting in my Encore .50. i TOOK MY ENTIRE SCOPE&MOUNT OFF! tHEN REASSEMBLED. They should come up with a universal fix!!!! thanks for remedies the company won't post!!
I agree so much with this, all the extra money I had to invest in mine to make it shoot, when it should have come that way
or atleast without all the seeming issue they know about
been out shot by so many 300 dollar inlines its just sad about this TC Encore model gun
the companys flagship to boot!
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Old 01-20-2012, 06:41 AM
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Re: Trouble with first shot accuracy with T/C Prohunter 50 cal.

I put my first ML together at 14yr old been shootin' MLs for my hole life I tried for three years to get an Encore to shoot!!I did all that Bellm stuff and cut the QLA off too!!! I would always end up with a flier but got it narrowed down to some where on a 12" target I went back to a Knight Three years ago and haven't looked back!!! Oh just the other day I got my Knight LRH to shoot a 2.25" group at 200yds!!!
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Old 01-20-2012, 08:58 AM
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Re: Trouble with first shot accuracy with T/C Prohunter 50 cal.

Well get use to it ,most ML shoot the same way as yours, anything with a sabot will be inconsistent ,don't let anyone tell you differant its the way it is.
They are a 100 yd gun unless to go to sabotless !
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Old 01-22-2012, 10:20 PM
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Re: Trouble with first shot accuracy with T/C Prohunter 50 cal.

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Well get use to it ,most ML shoot the same way as yours, anything with a sabot will be inconsistent ,don't let anyone tell you differant its the way it is.
They are a 100 yd gun unless to go to sabotless !

NOT TRUE AT ALL!!! I shoot out to 300 yards with an inexpensive gun and been able to consistently have a 5 inch group at 300 yards and I have shot deer out to 250 yards. All done with a Hornady 250 SST blackhorn 209 and a Winchester Apex. 1 to 1 1/2 group at 100 yards.

If you put your time in and figure out what the problem is then you shouldn't have any problems. If you have to make some adjustments to your gun to get it to do what you want then it is what you have to do. A lot of people who shoot high dollar rifles have to do the same thing. Trigger work, bedding, and all the other fine tuning you have to do to a rifle you can also do to a muzzleloader to get it to shoot.

Sorry but all guns are different and all have their own taste it is what makes it fun figuring out. If it were easy then no one would be doing it.
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Old 01-23-2012, 07:30 AM
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Re: Trouble with first shot accuracy with T/C Prohunter 50 cal.

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Well get use to it ,most ML shoot the same way as yours, anything with a sabot will be inconsistent ,don't let anyone tell you differant its the way it is.
They are a 100 yd gun unless to go to sabotless !
I'm trying to get a grasp on your comment Are you implying that they are all inconsistent with the FIRST shot only with a saboted bullet or, are you implying that ANYTHING shot with a sabot will be inconsistent?

Shooters were shooting excellent groups with saboted bullets, back when sabots first became available and your only choice was to use pistol bullets. It may have taken a little more "playing around" with them back then but, once you dialed them in, they were deadly accurate. With today's modern inlines, all of them are capable of shooting 1" groups @100yds or less with many of the saboted bullets marketed today. About the only choice today is, shooting a bullet that punches targets well and one that performs flawlessly on game plus still targets well.

With today's modern in-lines and saboted bullets, they'll be as accurate and consistent as you put the time in. Consistently accurate out to ranges where the bullet energy falls off enough, that its no longer considered adquate for proper bullet expansion or clean kills. In most cases, more than double the 100yd range.

Some rifles can be very finiky and just a mear 5gr. difference in the charge, can make the difference between a 3" group and a 1" group at 100yds. This 5gr. difference or more, can be attributed to your volume measure and how you measure your charge. Tap, no tap, etc. This can be a common issue for some shooters trying to achieve tight groups. Thus, the reason that many are switching back to loose power and weighing charges for consistency.

However, this is the fun part, spending the time to develop the charge that shoots.
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