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Trouble with first shot accuracy with T/C Prohunter 50 cal.

 
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Old 01-13-2011, 11:15 PM
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Re: Trouble with first shot accuracy with T/C Prohunter 50 cal.

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I'm not aware of another type of bullet out there that doesn't use sabots, other than the good o'l pure lead conicals ( tc maxi hunter-maxi ball ). I like you have problem with bullets, I just need to find the right ones and get out and shoot them. Tc changed sabots and the new ones don't fit nearly as tight as the old ones and therefore my groups opened wide. Other than that I'm really pleased with my set up and very pleased with blackhorn. For elk and deer both, I would use the 300gr shockwave or maybe the bonded version. Those can be pushed to 2000+ and would be very effective. But if you want to stay away from sabots the only ones I know of anymore is the Thompson center conicals. Good luck

Thanks for your input it has motivated me to get out and try something else. I am going to try the hornadays with 777 powder to see if I have the same issue. I understand. Everytime I get something to work the manufacturers change it or discontinue it. Good Shooting.
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Old 01-20-2011, 04:25 PM
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Re: Trouble with first shot accuracy with T/C Prohunter 50 cal.

I have a Tc encore, not the pro hunter, just a 26 inch bbl, it has been a nightmare, it shot like crap, been back to Tc 7 times, and they just keep rebarreling it, I now have had 8 different barrels, shot every powder , charge sizes, and bullets that are out there. had it to several private custom gun builders, and it is still tempermental.

The best thing I found was blackhorn 209 powder, and hornady headss/sabots, in cold weather it will group an inch, in warm temps?? any thing is possible, 1 inch to 12 inch groups with flyers at when ever it wants, no matter the loads!

some says I love this gun, and others I want to throw it way!

I have little to no faith in it, I don't hunt with it unless shots are less than 50 yards due to how unknowing it is

I am not alone, I know of several guys that have these issues with there Tc products( also know guys that never have an issue)

Last time my gun was at TC factory, I spoke with the man Greg Ritz, and I tiold him, I don'ty care how long they keep it, just don't send it back till it shoots good!

I got a target sent back with it of a 3 inch group at 50 yards

3'' at 50 yards, and was told thats GOOD! as its a muzzleloader!!
I called them back and told them that SUCKS, and they didn't care
they sent me a new barrel, and told me to keep the old one!
I sold the barrel,
don't have the nerve to sell the gun to anyone, don't screw people like that!
it is a gun I have, and thats about it!

do like 209 blackhorn powder though!!

will never buy a Tc product again
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Old 01-20-2011, 07:37 PM
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Re: Trouble with first shot accuracy with T/C Prohunter 50 cal.

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I have a Tc encore, not the pro hunter, just a 26 inch bbl, it has been a nightmare, it shot like crap, been back to Tc 7 times, and they just keep rebarreling it, I now have had 8 different barrels, shot every powder , charge sizes, and bullets that are out there. had it to several private custom gun builders, and it is still tempermental.

The best thing I found was blackhorn 209 powder, and hornady headss/sabots, in cold weather it will group an inch, in warm temps?? any thing is possible, 1 inch to 12 inch groups with flyers at when ever it wants, no matter the loads!

some says I love this gun, and others I want to throw it way!

I have little to no faith in it, I don't hunt with it unless shots are less than 50 yards due to how unknowing it is

I am not alone, I know of several guys that have these issues with there Tc products( also know guys that never have an issue)

Last time my gun was at TC factory, I spoke with the man Greg Ritz, and I tiold him, I don'ty care how long they keep it, just don't send it back till it shoots good!

I got a target sent back with it of a 3 inch group at 50 yards

3'' at 50 yards, and was told thats GOOD! as its a muzzleloader!!
I called them back and told them that SUCKS, and they didn't care
they sent me a new barrel, and told me to keep the old one!
I sold the barrel,
don't have the nerve to sell the gun to anyone, don't screw people like that!
it is a gun I have, and thats about it!

do like 209 blackhorn powder though!!

will never buy a Tc product again

I hate to heard that you have had so much trouble with your encore muzzleloader, but I am not supprised. T/C has ready done a great job of marketing their products which are not the best. For the price T/C charges for the encores a 3" group at 50 yards is ridiculous. I am going to try the 777 powder with the powerbelts and hornady FPB's, but I don't think that it will do much better the others. If this does work I am getting rid of my prohunter and search for a better muzzleloader.
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Old 01-20-2011, 08:49 PM
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Re: Trouble with first shot accuracy with T/C Prohunter 50 cal.

17Tactical, may I ask why you don't want to use sabots? Just a curious question. I shoot an Remington 700ML in a .45 cal. Started out using the Powerbelts and didn't like them. Didn't know if they were being pushed down the barrel and seated straight. Also shooting them with 777 pellets. Switched to the Hornady SST. Did better but not what I was looking for. I know I was shooting at deer with these bullets but could not find any blood. So made a major switch and went to using Barnes Expanded MZ hollow point and switched to 777 granular powder. Glad I did. Started getting 1.5 groups at 100 yards.

Switching to granular powder I noticed that there is no misfires and hangfires. But may try Buckhorn 209.

Also, when at the range I clean between every shot and always go to the woods with a clean barrel.

I hope you can get your TC figured out.

Jason
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Old 01-20-2011, 08:53 PM
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Re: Trouble with first shot accuracy with T/C Prohunter 50 cal.

Sorry fellows!! It's Blackhorn 209.

Jason
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Old 01-21-2011, 12:03 AM
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Re: Trouble with first shot accuracy with T/C Prohunter 50 cal.

I have my encore from back in 2000, and some days it will group onder an inch, and some days 12 inches
so unpredictable
I bought the gun because it had such high reviews, and how well i seen them shoot.
I ws at the 2001 shot show( was a dealer) and talked to some inside guys that told me Tc had a bad batch of barrels, and if you didn't complian theye didn't fix your gun, I sent mine back and got 8 of them bad barrels, and the icing on the cake was them sending me that target with that 3 inch group at 50yrds and telling me that is what they call good!!
I don't think anyone on this site would ever sau a 3inch group is good no matter the weapon! never mind there at the time top inline gun!

bought a cheap CVA and it holds 1.5 inch groups all day , still love that 209 powder in that as well!! no smell no smoke, groups well, and hits hard ! Mt tc is just a gun I own!! not one I hunt with!
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Old 01-21-2011, 11:08 AM
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Re: Trouble with first shot accuracy with T/C Prohunter 50 cal.

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17Tactical, may I ask why you don't want to use sabots? Just a curious question. I shoot an Remington 700ML in a .45 cal. Started out using the Powerbelts and didn't like them. Didn't know if they were being pushed down the barrel and seated straight. Also shooting them with 777 pellets. Switched to the Hornady SST. Did better but not what I was looking for. I know I was shooting at deer with these bullets but could not find any blood. So made a major switch and went to using Barnes Expanded MZ hollow point and switched to 777 granular powder. Glad I did. Started getting 1.5 groups at 100 yards.

Switching to granular powder I noticed that there is no misfires and hangfires. But may try Buckhorn 209.

Also, when at the range I clean between every shot and always go to the woods with a clean barrel.

I hope you can get your TC figured out.

Jason
Jason,
The reason I have not gone to sabots is my goal with this muzzleloader is to get a rig that I can hunt elk with in Colorado. Colorado does not allow the use of sabots. Here in Georgia we only have one week of muzzleloader season, but can use muzzleloaders during the remainder of the gun season. I normally use with my flintlock while deer hunting here at home. I bought the T/C encore because I thought it was the best muzzleloader for the rough hunting I plan to do in Colorado, but I have not been able to get good groups out of it yet.
Brent

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