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Old 10-02-2013, 07:42 PM
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Thor sample pack arrived today...

My sample sizing packet of Thor non sabot bullets arrived today with sizing instructions which I'll be employing this weekend to size the Thor solids to my AccuraV2. Looks to be a wicked load.

The thing I'm wondering is if I'll have to clean the bore like I do with my centerfires when I start sending the non sabot pills. Looks like copper fouling might be an issue.
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Old 10-02-2013, 11:06 PM
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you'd be real surprised at how clean shooting they are. Been shooting them since Sept 2008 and I get a heck of a lot more copper fouling with powerbelts than I do with the Thors.
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Old 10-03-2013, 06:52 AM
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Re: Thor sample pack arrived today...

Going to pick your brain a bit....

I'm sending TMZ's now and I wonder if I should order the Thor in an equivalent weight to the saboted TMZ? I want to avoid the trial and error method of bullet weight if possible. Also, with 100 grains (volume) of 209, what lind of velocity should I be seeing from my V2 and will the BDC be about the same as the TMZ? I have a Nikon BDC muzzlellading scope with BDC holdovers in the reticle...

Finally, should I stay with the CVA barrfel blaster/cleaner or switch to say Butch's or Montana or Hoppes instead??

Inquiring minds want to know....lol

The TMZ's yiekd an extremely tight 100 yard group. I'm getting 2 holes at 100 yards on the bench.
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Going to pick your brain a bit....

I'm sending TMZ's now and I wonder if I should order the Thor in an equivalent weight to the saboted TMZ? I want to avoid the trial and error method of bullet weight if possible. Also, with 100 grains (volume) of 209, what lind of velocity should I be seeing from my V2 and will the BDC be about the same as the TMZ? I have a Nikon BDC muzzlellading scope with BDC holdovers in the reticle...

Finally, should I stay with the CVA barrfel blaster/cleaner or switch to say Butch's or Montana or Hoppes instead??

Inquiring minds want to know....lol

The TMZ's yiekd an extremely tight 100 yard group. I'm getting 2 holes at 100 yards on the bench.
Not a problem at all, asking saves time and money.

If you're shooting the 245-250gr Barnes TMZ, the drop will be extremely close to the same as the Thor. Remember, the Thor is a Barnes bullet, but just in full .50cal form. BC is in the .220 - .230 range.

Velocity is in the 1970-1989 range with my CVA Apex, so your V2 will be very very close to the same with 100gr BH209.

Some velocity data I put together,
Thor Ballistics Info + BC info

As for cleaners, I am die hard fan of birchwood casey 2 in 1 bore scrubber, its been the best stuff at removing everything from the bore, and doing it easily. Run 2 dry patches bore the bore first to mop out excess fouling, spray a patch good, swab bore, let sit for 5 to 10 minutes, bore brush, wet patch again and swab, dry the bore.

Video of how I do it.
Cleaning Blackhorn209 VIDEO
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Old 10-03-2013, 01:03 PM
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....................The TMZ's yiekd an extremely tight 100 yard group. I'm getting 2 holes at 100 yards on the bench.
Unless your going to hunt someplace that doesn't allow the use of sabots, why switch? I don't think a Thor reaches a BC of .230 however it is a Barnes. Also consider expense. A bunch of us just cleaned out MidwayUSA of Barnes, selling the 24 package for $17.95 you couldn't pass on that deal..... However if its experimenting that you like, then its different.
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Old 10-03-2013, 08:59 PM
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Unless your going to hunt someplace that doesn't allow the use of sabots, why switch? I don't think a Thor reaches a BC of .230 however it is a Barnes. Also consider expense. A bunch of us just cleaned out MidwayUSA of Barnes, selling the 24 package for $17.95 you couldn't pass on that deal..... However if its experimenting that you like, then its different.
Thats a darn good price. Last pack I bought from Cabelas, in the store was, I think, about 23 bucks plus sales tax.

I'm intrigued by the sabotless pills and I want to use a one pill for everything I shoot. Price isn't really a consideration because unlike my benchrest target rifles I won't be sending large quantities downrange. I get the ML's sighted in and both are only ignited for hunting, I have 2, both CVA V2's, one shorter tube mountain rifle, the other standard length and both shoot almost identically at 100 yards.

The absolute best modification to both was shimming the retainers. Had them both out a week ago and with 209 and 6 pills (TMZ's) down each tube there was absolutely nothing in the primer recess, on the breech face or the backside of the action, nothing.

I'm really sold on BH209 too. I loaded some Go-Ex a friend had and was amazed how dirty it was in comparison. First shot, fine, second shot it got a bit tighter, I almost didn't get the third pill ramrodded down the tube. I don't have that issue with 209 and when I pulled the breechplug, it was filthy as was the bore. It don't get filthy with BH209.

I was with a couple other guys with ML's at a private range and they were all over me about what I did and how I did it and what it involves. Of course I explained to them that it wasn't a quick modification (took me an entire afternoon to get the spacing right and get the breech to close and hammer to function properly) but they were all very interested.

One guy had an Apex and the breech face looked like it had acne. IU told him there was no use in shimming, the face was already shot.

I also like the Thor's better than the Canadian sabotless pills. The Thor's can be sent without modification to the breech, the Canadian counterparts can't from what I read.

Really, the Thor's aren't that expensive per pill. I buy Defensive Edge CNC turned rifle bullets, Thor's are relatively inexpensive compared to DE CNC turned pills or my Lapua cased 338 Scenars. Even handloaded, each round is over 3 bucks.
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Old 10-04-2013, 08:32 PM
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Re: Thor sample pack arrived today...

The CALCULATED BC for the 250gr Thor is .220 and the 300gr is .240

These are CALCULATED ballistic coefficients directly from Thor Bullets.

Basically the same as the equal weights of the Barnes TMZ's.
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