Just a question?

[kc]

what make is your muzzel loader and who makes the best for accuracy and cleaning.

[sean1]

i have a knight disc extreme in 50 cal. 100 gr 777 and tc 250 gr sabot with win 209 will give me one big ragged hole at 100 yards for a 3 shot group.

for cleaning, i would have to sat the tc encore seems like it would be very simple. but none are too bad if you can use a solvent like hoppes

[Aldon]

TC Omega, 2 pellets of 777 with Hornady 250's. Very accurate, but after 3 shots it starts to fall off.

As for cleaning, I am considering buying the aftermarket breech plug that allows one to use the 25 acp brass and pistol primer rather than 209.

Supposedly makes the fouling tremendously less.

If anyone can confirm that it would be appreciated.

[OrrHunter1]

I have two both are 50 cal. 1st a TC Encore ProHunter and 2nd a Knight Bighorn. The Knight seems to be a tad more accurate than the TC put the TC cleans easier IMO. But I hunt more with the TC.

[Greyfox]

I have the 50 cal. Savage bolt action ML in stainless/camo stock Won it at a match a few years ago. Shoots around a MOA pretty consistantly at 100 yards and cleans up nicely. Really like the Accutrigger and balance. The really nice feature of the rifle is that it can be used with smokeless powder(4759), if it's legal in your state. It's then a very accurate 300 yard rifle and cleaning isn't much of a consideration. Heard it was discontinued for a while due to production capacity issues at Savage, but it's once again available due to demand.

[Yotekiller]

I have also gone to smokeless. I will never shoot black powder substitutes again unless I absolutely had to. Night and day difference. My savage 50 cal has been a good shooter for a lot of years. I am now working on a rem700 45cal smokeless conversion that should be good as well. I still have a few black powder guns but have not shot them in years.

[Nimrod]

Originally Posted by Aldon

As for cleaning, I am considering buying the aftermarket breech plug that allows one to use the 25 acp brass and pistol primer rather than 209.

Supposedly makes the fouling tremendously less.

If anyone can confirm that it would be appreciated.

It will reduce the blow back fouling tremendously if not completely eliminate it and I have heard people say that it will eliminate the ring of hard fouling at the chamber end of the barrel that is left by the black powder substitutes but this has not been the case in my Encore with loose 777. I think the biggest benefit to the .25 acp system was increased accuracy over the standard 209 shotgun primer. Now that there are muzzle loader specific 209 primers on the market the difference is less pronounced, all else being equal they make around a .3 difference in my average group size at 100 yards. My gun with it's preferred load will average under 1.5" for 3 shots with either one if I use CCI 400 primers. In my case the .25 auto case saves me a complete dis-assembly of the Encore action to clean the blow back fouling out of it.

To the OP, I have had excellent accuracy with both TC and CVA guns over the years with several different models of both brands, I prefer the TC guns for consistency. I have had a couple of CVA guns that wouldn't shoot anything worth a hoot.

As far as cleaning, it is a nasty endeavor with any of them, if that's a problem go with one of the smokeless guns.

Bob