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I need a muzzle loader that can kill a deer up to 300 yards

 
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Old 12-28-2010, 12:32 AM
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Re: I need a muzzle loader that can kill a deer up to 300 yards

Practically any one will do it with appropriate load development, and the proper person shooting it. The latter is harder to find than the former. 300 yds with a BP gun is easily doable by the knowledgable, but you're not just holding over at that range.
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Holy Smoke, I remember when muzzloaders fired #11s or musket caps, used blackpowder and lead balls or maxi's, any scope was prohibited, and those caps (or even flints) had to be exposed to the elements.

Actually, in Idaho most of that is still true. The evolution of muzzloaders into in-line (covered) ignitions, optical sights, saboted clad projectiles, pellet propellants etc. has made these remarkably far-reaching weapons now. Kind of high-powers without the brass case.

That evolution has resulted in dramatically higher success rates for hunters with a correspondingly drastic decrease in seasons for "muzzleloaders" in many states.

Some states now see the problem and have instituted "primitive" weapons only seasons in an effort to offer some seasons to those who more prefer to rough it, while the future for the current high-tech trend is to simply morph back into high-power seasons for all.
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Holy Smoke, I remember when muzzloaders fired #11s or musket caps, used blackpowder and lead balls or maxi's, any scope was prohibited, and those caps (or even flints) had to be exposed to the elements.

Actually, in Idaho most of that is still true. The evolution of muzzloaders into in-line (covered) ignitions, optical sights, saboted clad projectiles, pellet propellants etc. has made these remarkably far-reaching weapons now. Kind of high-powers without the brass case.

That evolution has resulted in dramatically higher success rates for hunters with a correspondingly drastic decrease in seasons for "muzzleloaders" in many states.

Some states now see the problem and have instituted "primitive" weapons only seasons in an effort to offer some seasons to those who more prefer to rough it, while the future for the current high-tech trend is to simply morph back into high-power seasons for all.

Did you know that IN-LINE muzzleloaders preceded smokeless powder by a couple of hundred years!
The first Creedmoor shoot was with muzzleloaders shooting to 1,000 yards.
It was won by the American team shooting Rolling block Remingtons loaded from the muzzle.

Buckskin traditional shooters are BS, IMO!
You want traditional then ride a horse to your hunting location. No motorized vehicles of any kind, then I'll listen to your sanctimonious cr@p.
Half of these folks drive 4 wheel drive vehicles, and use atv's to get to their locations and use remote cameras to scout. How the H3ll is that primitive hunting??

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Old 01-03-2011, 08:40 PM
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Re: I need a muzzle loader that can kill a deer up to 300 yards

Personally I would go smokeless.
If you are against it then the next question is how much are you willing to spend?
I would build a custom if money is not a huge concern, but 300 yards is not a big deal with a custom.

Are you against a .45 ML?
Are you a reloader?
Sabots OK or full size bullets?

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Old 01-03-2011, 10:56 PM
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Re: I need a muzzle loader that can kill a deer up to 300 yards

Where I hunt the law says no smokeless power muzzle loaders can be used.I'm not against .45 and I reload as far as sabot or bullet what ever works best.

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Re: I need a muzzle loader that can kill a deer up to 300 yards

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Did you know that IN-LINE muzzleloaders preceded smokeless powder by a couple of hundred years!
The first Creedmoor shoot was with muzzleloaders shooting to 1,000 yards.
It was won by the American team shooting Rolling block Remingtons loaded from the muzzle.

Buckskin traditional shooters are BS, IMO!
You want traditional then ride a horse to your hunting location. No motorized vehicles of any kind, then I'll listen to your sanctimonious cr@p.
Half of these folks drive 4 wheel drive vehicles, and use atv's to get to their locations and use remote cameras to scout. How the H3ll is that primitive hunting??

edge.
A little edgy there edge. My home state does not allow 209 primers, optical sights, sabots, clad projectiles, or pelletized synthetic powders. In return, Fish and Wildlife sets some nice season opportunities. No one expects nor cares if you listen to such sanctimonious crud, it merely being a reporting of fact.

Even at that, the seasons have been diminishing as F&W balances increases in popularity and harvest success by necessarily reducing the seasons or going to drawings only to bring special weapons seasons into line with harvest objectives.
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Re: I need a muzzle loader that can kill a deer up to 300 yards

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Actually, in Idaho most of that is still true. The evolution of muzzloaders into in-line (covered) ignitions, optical sights, saboted clad projectiles, pellet propellants etc. has made these remarkably far-reaching weapons now. Kind of high-powers without the brass case.

That evolution has resulted in dramatically higher success rates for hunters with a correspondingly drastic decrease in seasons for "muzzleloaders" in many states.
Saboted ammo is nothing new. They were paper patching during the buffalo hunting days. Heck even cannons had wood sabots for cannon balls. So, I have to call BS to your statement of new technology.

I think a truer statement is a drastic increase in recovery of shot animals. The newer technology did not change the animals or the hunters. Shots are still taken at the same distances but I'd venture to say that more accurate shots are made.

As I have said before, when the states start making primitive archery seasons, with longbows or recurve, cedar shafts, no sights, I may go back to flintlock for ML season. Until then, why discriminate against modern muzzleloaders. Edge, you are right on target!
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