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First Shots out of Savage

 
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Old 08-28-2013, 07:05 PM
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Re: First Shots out of Savage

Well, I got my scope on and have been back shooting twice. Ironically I haven't gotten anything that shot as good as the above. One load shot good (left target) but there was a flyer I can't explain.

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Old 08-28-2013, 07:23 PM
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Re: First Shots out of Savage

How was the loading pressure with the orange mmp sabots. I am going to guess that the 250 gr. .452's with the mmp short black sabot loaded on the firm side.

Did the orange load quite a bit easier? If they did, try Harvester short black sabots for the Remington 300 gr. and Harvester black crush ribs with the Hornady .458's.

Also, try some H4198 powder with the 300 gr. bullets. I would start at 63 gr. I never went above 66 grain. This powder should help you with the 300 gr. .458 bullets.
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Old 08-29-2013, 05:37 PM
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Re: First Shots out of Savage

All of the bullets loaded pretty stiff. I did notice with the spent sabots I found that the black ones had all four petals remaining while the orange ones only had one petal remaining.

I got a few Harvester sabots and I'll try them next.

I'm a little hesitant to go with 4198 as I've read about some having miss fires. I'm going to use this mostly for late season whitetails and temps here can get down to 10F that time of year?
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Old 08-29-2013, 09:58 PM
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Re: First Shots out of Savage

FYI, there are a couple pill manufacturers that make sabotless pills. One is in Canada BTW. One of our shooting group shoots a sabotless pill. He like them alot. Caution, they aren't cheap.

www.prbullet.com

I'm presuming that the Savage is set up like a CVA, inline 209 ignition with a removable breech plug.

My CVA is a tack driving SOB at 100 yards,. but propellant choices are limited to Blackhorn with a special breech plug or IMR white hots with the standard breech plug.
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Old 08-30-2013, 04:01 AM
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Re: First Shots out of Savage

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FYI, there are a couple pill manufacturers that make sabotless pills. One is in Canada BTW. One of our shooting group shoots a sabotless pill. He like them alot. Caution, they aren't cheap.

www.prbullet.com

I'm presuming that the Savage is set up like a CVA, inline 209 ignition with a removable breech plug.

My CVA is a tack driving SOB at 100 yards,. but propellant choices are limited to Blackhorn with a special breech plug or IMR white hots with the standard breech plug.
Yes, I got my MMP's from Precision Bullet. The Savage uses 209 inline ignition with a removable breech plug.
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Old 08-30-2013, 06:32 AM
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Re: First Shots out of Savage

If thats the case (breech plug and 209 ignition), why not Barnes TMZ's (ballistic tipped pills with sabots included) in various diameters and 100 grains of Western 209 or IMR White Hots.

I must be missing something because I don't comprehend why you'd play with different powders (and burn rates) when there is a very accurate off the shelf combination.

The only 'fly in the ointment' I see is the breech plug must be a recessed (read counterbored) plug so the 209 is sequestered in the cavity of the plug itself to insure a complete burn.

Maybe I am missing something or maybe I need to go buy a Savage and play with it. I have numerous Savages in centerfire calibers. I just never considered a Savage as a viable off the shelf 'front stuffer' (I like that term btw) when the Bergara barreled CVA was available, not to say that mine and (my associates) isn't modified. I modified both rifles prior to ever firing them in the interest of breech face erosion from primer wash.

The only reason my shooting associate is using The PR's is because of the restriction on plastic sabots in some western states. Otherwise, he'd be launching the Barnes as well.

More curious than anything I guess.
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Old 08-30-2013, 06:43 AM
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Re: First Shots out of Savage

Additionally, I have an ongoing philosophy about shooting paper verses shooting an animal and that simply is, shooting paper in groups is fine and it gives you a yeardstick as to where your pill is landing and grouping at various distances (and unlike a centerfire in big bore), the pill drops like a rock beyond 150 yards anyway (imagine a slice of watermelon and the outside edge is your trajectory).

However, all animals have a kill zone, in the case of a whitetail it's about 12-16" depending on the size and how the animal presents itself to the hunter, so long as the terminal velocity is sufficent and the kinetic energy is sufficent to cause expansion and penetration of the pill into the animal, it's going down. Maybe not instantly but then a treck in the woods following a blood trail isn't always a bad thing.

We all like to 'drill and drop' but it's not always the case.

I use paper targets just as a yardstick. I certainly don't compare a paper print to an actually kill shot. Never have, but then, thats just me.

Anyone of your groups is well within the kill zone of a whitetail, even the flyer. Any one of those prints will drop an animal at reasonable distance.
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