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Old 08-15-2009, 05:29 PM
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Re: Blackhorn 209 new black powder

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I tried BH209 with CCI magnum primers in my Omega and Knight Long Range Hunter. Worked perfect with sub 1 inch @ 100 with the Omega but hangfired in the LRH with the plastic primer units. I did try the bare 209 primer adapter kit and saw no difference in the hangfire problem. I compared the breechplugs and there are differences in the end. The Omega has a round, convex, about 3/8 deep hole and the Knight has a quarter inch hole, and a large chamfer. From what I've read, the Knight was designed around Pyrodex and that design breechplug is sufficient for consistent ignition with that, triple seven and pellets. Not so with BH209. Too bad Knight is TU as they need to modify and test a different breechplug designed for the newer powder.
I was using the Variflame Primer adaptor w/Fed 205 sm. rifle primers for T7.Got amaising accuracy.I was wondering about a sm. rifle mag. primer.I've only been to the range once so far w/Blackhorn 209 and I used Rem. Premier STS 209 primers. I shot two 1 3/8"groups which is'nt great I know, the lighting wasn"t great that day and maybe I wasn"t either.My Omega will do better. The only way I will try the sm. rifle mag. is in the dead of after my loaded rifle has set outside for a day or two. For this season I will stick w/ the STS primers and maybe try sm. variations in the charge.Here in ME shots are not usualy very long so 1 3/8" will do but kind of frustrating when you know it could be alot better.
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Old 08-15-2009, 07:36 PM
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Re: Blackhorn 209 new black powder

Dumbear, In my Omega, two loads for me that shoot under one inch at 100 yds are: 110 grains of BH209, either a 250 Grain Hornady SST-ML (the highspeed/lowdrag type item#67273), or a 285 grain Barnes SPTF Boattail (item#45154), OR two 50 grain Triple7 pellets and a Triple7 primer with the same sabot/projectile combinations. I stuck with the CCI magnum primers with the BH209 as that is what is recommended. I've tried the Whitehots with the same results as far as accuracy is concerned but couldn't see spending the extra money for a little less soot. Good Luck, Smokepoler
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Old 08-15-2009, 09:23 PM
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Re: Blackhorn 209 new black powder

Let me just say that powder is not the entire answer to accuracy with a ML. Bullet & sabot are another part of the equation!

Try a boat tail bullet / polimere tipped "250 gr Barnes TMZ" throw away their sabot and get yourself the Harvester "high pressure" crushed rib sabot "Yellow" designed for boat tail bullets. They are $8.00 for a pack of 50.

Also use a spin jag to load the bullet. It will allow the sabot to rifle it's self a create a better seal for proper pressure.

I shoot 110 grains BH 209 and have never looked back! My Prohunter will cut holes all day at 100 yards and hold 2" or less groups at 200 yards.

Make sure you load and clean the same exact way each time and you will tighten up your groups!

Also, forget about using pellets and use loose powder only. You can't pack pellets nearly a tight as loose powder. It's all about pressures! To many voids with pellets plus you have no control over tuning your powder charge with pellets. Think about it!


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Old 08-15-2009, 10:27 PM
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WRG, Roger on your comments. I have used the yellow Harvester sabots in the Knight LRH but not the Omega. I will try them in that gun. I saw no difference with the yellow, crushed rib sabots in the Knight with BH 209 and any of the barnes boattail bullets. Always had good accuracy in the Omega. They,re must be a difference in the ProHunter barrel.
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Old 08-16-2009, 08:30 PM
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Re: Blackhorn 209 new black powder

I use the PR rotating bullet seater/jag and their Extream Elite HP.40 cal. 260 gr. boat tail.Love that bullet,I have some of their 195gr. .357 Dead Centers I may try out one of these days. I'm VERY consistant w/bullet seating pressure on the rod as I know the end result of inconsistancy here. I need to find some viles to carry pre metered charges to the range as this stuff is too pricey to be volume mea. in the usual manner.
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Old 08-19-2009, 09:42 PM
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Roger that on the powder measuring. I seem to lose a few grains when using my T/C standard powder measure that slides closed. Going to the range next week with the Harvest Muzzleloading 300 gr. to check accuracy at 200-300 yards. Will report back as to the results. Using the Knight LRH w/CCI209M primers.
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Old 09-10-2009, 04:21 PM
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Range report: 300 gr Harvesters, 90 to 120 grain increments of 5 grains yielded the best groups with 120 grains BH209, about five inches at 200 yds. Not as good as the TC Omega which groups 2 1/2 at 200 with two T7 pellets and 285 grain Barnes TMZ. Have put approximately 300 rounds of varying bullet/sabot powder/primer combos and am not impressed with the Knight LRH. Just about ready to put it away until after the season closes and stick with the Omega. Hopefully I don't have a "lemon".
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