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Old 10-12-2007, 06:35 PM
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Catshooter, good info. I to like to use the V-Max and Ballistic Tip bullets for varminting out to 1000 yards. If I shoot past the 1000 yard mark, I will switch to the higher BC bullets.

I originally used the 95grn Bergers out of my 6x284, however, they were poking holes right through the squirrels I was shooting at. I decided to switch to the 75grn V-Max. The 75grn V-Max was a better bullet for kill power. I have used this bullet all the way out to 1000 yards with good results, however, I did have to adjust for the wind a bit more compared to the 95grn Berger.

There was a pretty good write up about a gunsmith who builds varmint rifles based off the 300 WSM cartridge using the 125grn Ballistic Tip. He is pushing the 125grn BT at 4000+fps in his custom set ups with a 1-15 twist barrel. You can find the write up on 6mmbr.com under the accurateshooter.com page. This looks like it would be a pretty impressive set up for varmint hunting out to 1000 yards.

If your goal is to shoot past a 1000 yards, the higher BC bullets are the only way to go. If your goal is to shoot under a 1000 yards, the V-Max and Ballistic Tip bullets will work.

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Old 10-13-2007, 02:02 AM
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P-44...

I know that gunsmith - Richard Franklin, down in Virginia - I told him his DVD sucked and showed him my bonafides, (I built the rifle, and shot the group):

http://www.snipercountry.com/images/....46-target.jpg

... and he invited me to come down and whack some woodies with him next July.

The problem with rifles like the ones he makes, is that they weigh 24 pounds (bad), they are unpleasant to shoot, noise wise (BAD), and cost a fortune to shoot, as in ~$1.50 a shot (VERY BAD)... not to mention the price (which I won't mention, cuz you'll fall off the chair).

He builds them for a special type of shooting, in a specific area (mid Atlantic, east coast farm country).


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I have pretty much stopped using "match" bullets on varmints. Too many of them just poke through the critter and leave it to bleed to death at the bottom of the hole.

My current choices are V-Maxs and BlitzKings. They might give up 0.05" to 0.10" in group size... but in the field, off of a bipod or the hood of a Jeep, you can't squeeze that last 0.05" out of it (accuracy wise) anyway, and the V-Maxs and BK's come apart so fast, they literally explode the critters. Much more explosive than the BT's.

I recently bought a .264 Winchester Mag, Remington Sendero-II for a varmint rifle. I load it with 95 gr. V-Maxs at 3750 fps - it is to be used for very long range feral dogs, and coyotes (at 800 to 1,000+ yds).

I had been using large 190 gr. match bullets in a 300 WM for it, but the match bullets did a poor job on 30 to 50 pound dogs.

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Old 10-13-2007, 10:45 PM
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Catshooter, your new varmint rig sounds pretty good. The 95grn V-Max, at 3750fps, should be devastating on varmints and dogs. Sounds like your rig will be a good varmint rig for shots out to 1000 yards with 95grn V-Max.

I read the "What a Joke" post that talked about Richards 300 WSM Varminter. WOW, I don't think I will get involved with that one. I think what Richard was trying to show on his target that stated ".162 at 100 yards equals 1.62 at 1000 yards, was that if conditions were perfect it would be possiable. However, as we all know, conditions are never perfect. I think Richard was just showing the accuracy potential in perfect conditions. He sure was crititzed for putting his target in the article.

I think his 300 WSM Varminter would be a fun varmint rig to have, but I don't have the $$$ to build something that specialized. Maybe one day when I hit the lotto. I hope that "Wildcat" posts the results of his build. It sounded like he is having one of Richards 300 WSM Varminters built. Wildcat, if your reading this, please give us the results when your 300 WSM project is completed. I know you said you would not post again, but, I would really like to hear about it and how it performs.

I like the V-max and Ballistic tip bullets for varmint hunting, so I am thinking it goes against the norm on this site to use these bullets. I like the VLD bullets too, but I like using the plastic tip bullets for varminting out to 1000 yards.

Your 264 Win sounds like it will be a varmint buster for sure. Keep us informed on how the accuracy is with 95grn V-Max.

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Old 10-13-2007, 11:57 PM
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P44, I promised that I would post the results on how the 300 WSM Varminter performes. I will keep that promise, and I will let everyone know how it peformes.

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Old 10-14-2007, 12:16 AM
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Wildcat, I am glad to hear you will be posting the results. I am one who thinks your new 300 WSM Varminter rig will be an awesome varmint rifle. I look forward to hearing how it performes.

I know you said you would not post on this site again. I hope you change your mind and come back.

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Old 10-15-2007, 03:37 PM
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VLD's

My experience with the berger bullets in 6mm specifically the 95 gr VLD and 105gr VLD is that they will shoot great groups but left me frustrated in the field when direct hits tossed them only to get back up and run into their hole. Time after time. This was also the case with the 107 gr matchking The next year I switched to the 105gr Amax and they were awesome. Good reliable expansion up to 600yds. If you are building a 6mm varmint rig it is the only VLD bullet to build around in my opinion. In 22 cal bullets I've been shooting the 50gr Vmax. It just seems to offer the best of both worlds in terms of BC, speed and smack down at ranges up to 400-500. I use it in both a 223 and 22-250. The 6mm is a 243 ack 1-9" twist. I have been prairie dog hunting the pan handle of Texas once every year for the past four years. It is the only hunt I pay to go on each year.

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Lance Wolken
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Old 10-16-2007, 06:18 PM
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LWolken, I have had the same problem with VLD type bullets punching holes in the varmints aswell. I use Nosler Ballistic Tips and V-Max bullets for varminting out to 1000 yards. When I shoot past the 1000 yard mark, I will switch to the VLD's.

There is a great article on 6mmBR.com about Richard Franklins 300 WSM Varminter. He is getting 4000+fps with the 125grn Ballistic tip (.366 BC) and he is getting excellent accuracy. He is using a custom action, Nesika or BAT, with a 1-15 twist barrel to reach these velocities. This is a specialized varmint rifle with that bullet and twist rate. I normal factory 300 WSM could never come close to these velocities. It look like an excellent varmint set up.

Wildcat is having Richard build a 300 WSM Varminter. He is going to report back on how it performes as soon as he receives it. I am looking forward to viewing the results.

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