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Old 02-27-2013, 02:12 AM
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Re: rifles for pd shooting

That is some fine shooting Savage.
I use my .17 HMR for the close ones, 200 yards or so, and a 22-250 for the longer ones. My '250 is a 14 twist, so the highest BC bullets I have found for it are 52 gr. JLK low drag's. They are quite accurate, but fairly wind sensitive. Where I shoot it's a few mounds scattered here and there over several thousand square miles of eastern Utah desert. A big day would be 100 rounds, and most of the shooting is 300 yards and further. I'll have that barrel shot out after this next 1K lot of bullets is gone, and will rebarrel to either a fast twist 22-250 or 6XC. I need higher BC bullets for the ranges I am shooting at.
My farthest with the '250 is 683 yards. Farthest with a custom 7 mag is 1156 on a 'chuck.
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Old 02-27-2013, 09:36 AM
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Thought I had it nailed down yesterday when my gun dealer found my savage 12 vlp dbm in 22-250 in a 9 twist. A phone call later in the day said the computer didnt update and what they had was a 12 twist. Shot down again. I want that gun real bad. I keep telling myself I'm doing the right thing by waiting till I can get the 9 twist as I will be loading for it & the options are greater with the fast twist. Does anyone think barrel life will be shorter with the faster twist or will fouling happen sooner?
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Old 02-27-2013, 11:25 AM
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That is some fine shooting Savage.
I use my .17 HMR for the close ones, 200 yards or so, and a 22-250 for the longer ones. My '250 is a 14 twist, so the highest BC bullets I have found for it are 52 gr. JLK low drag's. They are quite accurate, but fairly wind sensitive. Where I shoot it's a few mounds scattered here and there over several thousand square miles of eastern Utah desert. A big day would be 100 rounds, and most of the shooting is 300 yards and further. I'll have that barrel shot out after this next 1K lot of bullets is gone, and will rebarrel to either a fast twist 22-250 or 6XC. I need higher BC bullets for the ranges I am shooting at.
My farthest with the '250 is 683 yards. Farthest with a custom 7 mag is 1156 on a 'chuck.
I love the 22-250/22-250 AI to clear out the town, then when shooting slows for longer shots I like my 22-243 AI's, and out to 250 easy you can use my Contender super 14" .223 match chamber.......with a all time best of 540 with it, best long shot to date is 1580 yds in WY with a Custom Savage .260 AI. I leave the 17 HMR at home now, if ground is damp can't see bullet hit.
How many rounds out of your 22-250 before shot out? I keep hearing stories about one season and shot out. Better buy a Savage I guess or better barrels. My first Savage 22-250 Varmint 112 VBSS lasted 7200 rounds before going south, all always held 1/2 or less. Never let them cool either. I hav shot 585 rounds out of same gun same day, then day two 300, day three 250, day four 150, and day five 100 . I take 3-4 guns each Prairie Dog shoot.
I also shoot two 22-243 AI with 75 and 80 gr A-Max, Douglas and a Brux barrels. I get 2400-3000 rds per barrel before going south. I shoot max loads in everything.
My neighbor has Winchester Varmint 22-250 that has 3" throat after 6500 rounds, but will still shoot 3/4" groups. Brother has Savage LRPV 22-250 with 3400 rounds and shoots excellent. My current Savage with blue varmint barrel has 1470 rounds.
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Old 02-27-2013, 01:25 PM
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I would have to go look at my log to see exactly how many rounds I have through the 22-250. 3-4K, something like that. It's still shooting sub .5moa, but like the gun you described the throat is way loooong. I'm ready to rebarrel anyway. Where I shoot there's not a lot of dogs and mostly long shots. I'm losing to many to the wind.
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Old 02-27-2013, 02:52 PM
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Understand the wind and need for new barrel!
My 75 and 80 A-Max bullets out of the 22-243 AI have gotten me some nice long shots. 700 to 1430 yds. Got the official 1151 yd shot on PD in N.D. back in 2007 and a 1430 yd PD in CO. back in 2011.
The amazing thing about a 75 A-Max flying 3600 fps in a 1-9 twist barrel is the long shots. Both my buddy's use Savage 6.5x284 and when we shoot 1600 yds their bullets drift 10-12 feet easy in a 4-5 mph wind recorded at bench not target. My little 75 gr A-max drift half that distance. The ballistics programs say different but in the last 3 PD trips I blow them away on the drift. Now they have had more confirmed hits at 1000 to 1600 but not many, you know how a hit PD can get away.

I have found in the 22 cal. that the 1-9 twist with the 75 grs works the best, Berger charts show the same with twist and stablized flight compaired to 80 or 90 gr. bullets. Out to 500 yds the 80 and 90 are great, past that the time in flight becomes a problem to me anyway.
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Old 02-27-2013, 07:55 PM
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I was looking at the 90 gr. VLD, but also wondering about the points you make. How do those 75 gr A-Max's work when they hit? The 52 gr JLK's I'm currently using tend not to expand much when they get out around 500. I have been strongly considering going to the 6XC, in part to use the Berger Hunting VLD's. The 180 gr seem to expand quite well in my 7 mag, even past 1K.
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Old 02-27-2013, 08:18 PM
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The 75 A-Max explodes the PD like a V-Max, not all the time but most. If you slow them down to 2900 fps out the barrel they don't seem to do as well. But when they hit dirt at 1600 yds they throw up a dust cloud as big as the 140 JLK's, 140 SMK's and the 123 A-Max 6.5x284 rifles. I did like the way the 90's in .224 hit at 500 yds, but it takes a while longer to get there.
AT 630 yds my buddy was using 6BR 87 gr bullets, IF I timed it right I could fire just as he did and hit the PD first, yes we counted. Then we had 2 dogs on a mound at 1500 yds, he took left me the right. 1,2,3, fire, my bullet hits about 2 seconds sooner ever time, yes its the timing but also the 6BR is around 3050 fps and mine 3650 fps really makes a difference.
And a 40 gr V-Max running 48 fps in my 22-243 AI 1-9 twist, you can hit PD at 450 yds with 5-6 mph crosswind, sighted in at 400 yds, hold dead on and hit everytime, it just sends PD sideways. If you hold to outside edge of PD hit dead center. Ballistic charts say different, but we sighted in at 100 yds no wind in morning, and later three of us all did same thing at 430-485 yds. My engineer buddy is mad as hell because it doesn't work on paper. Now if I shoot same load in 1-8 twist 50% of the 40 gr V-Max's come apart at 75-225 yds yielding 2-3 impact points.
I will fire the 22-243 AI 10-25 rounds very quickly, load, get on target fire, repeat before letting barrel cool, if in hurry I pour ice water on barrel.
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