77ruger, The A-Max give you similar results with a high BC.
I reckon I must get them went they ain't wearing their Kevlar vests cause my .17 Ackley Hornet firing a 20 gr. V-Max at 3575 fps seems to anchor them directly! Out past 200 yds I pull out the big gun, the .223 and the 75 gr. A-Max!