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Old 03-08-2011, 08:05 PM
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Re: 500 yard rig

I put a Hart barrel in 22-243 with a 1in 8 twist on a Sendero short action. Been shooting 80 bergers and 75 A-Max and am really happy with it . I shot a .33 group at 300 yards and got almost 500 groundhogs with it last summer with 20 of them over 800 yards. one right at 1000. Got my first one this year last week at 887 yards with 2 min wind . The BC on those 80 g bergers is almost double the 55g but the wind is still the big problem. Just gota learn to believe the numbers and keep practicing.!!
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Old 03-08-2011, 08:31 PM
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Re: 500 yard rig

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I put a Hart barrel in 22-243 with a 1in 8 twist on a Sendero short action. Been shooting 80 bergers and 75 A-Max and am really happy with it . I shot a .33 group at 300 yards and got almost 500 groundhogs with it last summer with 20 of them over 800 yards. one right at 1000. Got my first one this year last week at 887 yards with 2 min wind . The BC on those 80 g bergers is almost double the 55g but the wind is still the big problem. Just gota learn to believe the numbers and keep practicing.!!
What kind of damage is that 22.243 doin on them chucks I bet it does a number on them
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Old 03-08-2011, 09:54 PM
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Re: 500 yard rig

SBruce: Hmmm.... it appears you are NOT comparing apples to apples here!
Your quote:

"The 204 doesn't impress me (for Wyoming winds anyway) unless it's shooting 40 grn bullets at close to 4000'/sec. Factory ammo specs and ballistics with lighter bullets aren't that impressive, and show it falling to 2nd place ballistically. The 22-250 will push a 40 at close to 4000'/sec, just burns more powder doing it. The 20 cal 40 will have a higher BC though.

22-250 shooting 55's or 60's at 3700 (which a 14 should do) is tough to beat at 500, especially when wind is involved".

End of your quote:


Now let me give a FAIRER comparison between the 204 Ruger and the 22-250 Remington if you don't mind!
I simply refer YOU to the 2,009 Remington Arms and Ammunition catalog page 92!
And the reason I am refering you here is because the Remington folks are unbiased and they are not comparing HOT loads in one caliber to more standard pressure loads in the other caliber.
Simply refer to the factory ballistics/trajectories for the 204 Ruger vs. the 22-250 Remington!
The 204 Ruger in all factory offerings shoots flatter out at 500 yards than any offering for the 22-250 Remington - flatter by up to 12" as you will see when you "compare"!
Then take a closer look at the drop charts - the 204 Ruger gets this done while being zeroed at 200 (two hundred) yards while comparing itself to the 22-250 Remington which is zeroed at 250 (two hundred and fifty!) yards!!!!
Sounds like the 204 Ruger with any Remington loading has a much further "hold on fur" range than does the 22-250 Remington.
Do you follow my comparison/reality here?
The 204 Ruger MAY take second place to SOME cartridge (you don't specify what cartridge you think the 204 Ruger is "second place to") but it is NOT the 22-250 Remington!
I have been shooting the wonderful 22-250 Remington since day one (back in 1965 IIRC) and I have also been shooting the 204 Ruger since its "day one" - I now own and Hunt with 5 Rifles in caliber 204 Ruger - I know what the 204 Ruger can do!
And I currently own and Hunt with 7 Rifles in caliber 22-250 Remington!
I would appreciate everyone using fair comparisons when "comparing!
I contend the Remington (and after all THEY legitimized the 22-250 Remington) folks have and display a fairer comparison than you do.
As much as I enjoy and admire the 22-250 Remington the 204 Ruger is superior to it in so many ways!
ESPECIALLY at 500 yards and under!
ESPECIALLY when shooting Prairie Dogs!
I know - I use them both - extensively.
My latest Nosler book shows fastest maximum loadings for the 22-250 Remington and 60 grain bullets to be 3,600 F.P.S. - again your comparison IS NOT apples to apples.
Long live the wonderful 204 Ruger!
Hold into the wind
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Old 03-08-2011, 11:22 PM
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Re: 500 yard rig

Iuse .204, .223, 22-250, 22-250 A.I., 22-243 A.I for many years. The .204 is gone due to reloading cost and didn't do much better than max out .223, both of them have trouble bucking the wind past 250yds. The 22-250 pumped up to 4150fps with 40 grains is fun out to 400yds or so. Then some 52 SMK's did the trick. The the 22-250 A.I. cranked up to 4400fps with 40 grain V-Max and 4250fps with 50 V-max are great out to 500 to 600yds. Then we use the 22-243 A.I. with 75 Grain A-Max pushing 3650fps or 35 grain V-Max running 5600fps.........The 75 V-Max worked for me for my 1151yd PD kill.


I gave up the .204, only use .223 in a 14in T/C Contender now, 22-250 A.I. and the 22-243 A.I.
The Savage 22-250 gave me 7100 rounds out of factory barrel, the 22-243 A.I. gives me right at 2500 yds per barrel, now on third barrel since 1997.
If I had to choose only one gun ........22-243 A.I. , it is like never having to miss a shot with this rifle. A Savage 12 Action with Douglas XX heavy barrel fixed up by Fred Moreo of Sharp Shooters supply, has Richards Micro fit thumb hole wildcat laminated stock weighted, rig weighs 16lbs with a Pentax 8-32x50 lightseeker. I see every hit through scope!
Forget the charts, Just remember which caliber only calls for one Prairie Dog over and 1/2 high at 700 yds.
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Old 03-08-2011, 11:33 PM
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Re: 500 yard rig

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Originally Posted by VarmintGuy View Post
SBruce: Hmmm.... it appears you are NOT comparing apples to apples here!
Your quote:

"The 204 doesn't impress me (for Wyoming winds anyway) unless it's shooting 40 grn bullets at close to 4000'/sec. Factory ammo specs and ballistics with lighter bullets aren't that impressive, and show it falling to 2nd place ballistically. The 22-250 will push a 40 at close to 4000'/sec, just burns more powder doing it. The 20 cal 40 will have a higher BC though.

22-250 shooting 55's or 60's at 3700 (which a 14 should do) is tough to beat at 500, especially when wind is involved".

End of your quote:


Now let me give a FAIRER comparison between the 204 Ruger and the 22-250 Remington if you don't mind!
I simply refer YOU to the 2,009 Remington Arms and Ammunition catalog page 92!
And the reason I am refering you here is because the Remington folks are unbiased and they are not comparing HOT loads in one caliber to more standard pressure loads in the other caliber.
Simply refer to the factory ballistics/trajectories for the 204 Ruger vs. the 22-250 Remington!
The 204 Ruger in all factory offerings shoots flatter out at 500 yards than any offering for the 22-250 Remington - flatter by up to 12" as you will see when you "compare"!
Then take a closer look at the drop charts - the 204 Ruger gets this done while being zeroed at 200 (two hundred) yards while comparing itself to the 22-250 Remington which is zeroed at 250 (two hundred and fifty!) yards!!!!
Sounds like the 204 Ruger with any Remington loading has a much further "hold on fur" range than does the 22-250 Remington.
Do you follow my comparison/reality here?
The 204 Ruger MAY take second place to SOME cartridge (you don't specify what cartridge you think the 204 Ruger is "second place to") but it is NOT the 22-250 Remington!
I have been shooting the wonderful 22-250 Remington since day one (back in 1965 IIRC) and I have also been shooting the 204 Ruger since its "day one" - I now own and Hunt with 5 Rifles in caliber 204 Ruger - I know what the 204 Ruger can do!
And I currently own and Hunt with 7 Rifles in caliber 22-250 Remington!
I would appreciate everyone using fair comparisons when "comparing!
I contend the Remington (and after all THEY legitimized the 22-250 Remington) folks have and display a fairer comparison than you do.
As much as I enjoy and admire the 22-250 Remington the 204 Ruger is superior to it in so many ways!
ESPECIALLY at 500 yards and under!
ESPECIALLY when shooting Prairie Dogs!
I know - I use them both - extensively.
My latest Nosler book shows fastest maximum loadings for the 22-250 Remington and 60 grain bullets to be 3,600 F.P.S. - again your comparison IS NOT apples to apples.
Long live the wonderful 204 Ruger!
Hold into the wind
VarmintGuy
Well Varmint Guy,

First of all, I was comparing factory velocities and right out of the Nightforce ballistic program. Yes, 3700 with 60's is probably hot for most 22-250's, but 55's at 3700 is not unrealistic at all.......I am shooting 3750 with a 55 Berger myself, and that's not a MAX load. Said program shows the Federal Premium 204 with 32 Nosler BT going 4030'/sec. Same program shows the Hornady Varmint 22-250 with 50 V-Max going 3800'/sec. Same program also shows the Nosler Custom 22-250 going 3850 with a 50 grn ballistic tip. Some loadings show the 20 cal 32's going 4200, but not all.

2nd, I was referring more so to wind drift than drops..........Did I once say flatter shooting or less drop??................NO, I didn't. I did mention wind twice however. Damn, even pushing the 32 V-Max at 4200'/sec.....it drifts more than the 55 V-Max at 3700, again based on the ballistic program at 500 yds. Don't just take my word for it. Anyone with any ballistic knowledge knows that faster is usually flatter, especially under 500 yds. There is no argument there. You're preaching to the choir by saying how much flatter the screamers will shoot.

The ballistic program shows the underlined above loads to be basically equal in drop at 500 yds, When zeroed at 100. It also shows the 22-250 to have 4.5" less drift in a 10 mph crosswind.

In regards to the 204; I did mention "Unless it's shooting 40 grn bullets", I admit that the 40's at 3700 or faster look impressive ballistically. I also mentioned that the 20 caliber 40 should have a higher BC than the 22 caliber 40. Anyone with any ballistic knowlege also knows that BC is the biggest helper when it comes to wind drift. I don't own a 204, but I know a few guys that have em. They all pretty much agree that they don't quite compete with the 22-250 in the wind department.

I compared 7 different factory 204 loads to 7 different factory 22-250 loads. The fastest 32 grn 204 loads (at 4225) still drift more than nearly all of the 50 grn loads in 22-250 (at 3800), maybe only a couple inches at 500, but they still drift more according to the program.

Go right ahead and love the 204, I won't hold that against you. I would also appreciate you allowing me to have my opinion (which was based on real numbers that I did in fact research before posting), and not make false claims that I didn't compare correctly, or imply that I was comparing handloads to factory ammo.

Hell, I may even someday give the 204 a shot, but it will be with a twist designed to shoot the 39 and 40 grn or heavier bullets.
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Old 03-09-2011, 10:28 AM
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Re: 500 yard rig

one 5 day prairie dog hunt certainly dosent make me an expert on the subject.
god willing i'll be making another trip this year.
being an eastern hunter ive had experience with groundhogs. also about 40 years experience long range deer hunting.
holding for wind is something im very familiar with. it does make it easier when you get follow up shots.
hunting a prairie dog town is a little different in my opinion.
shots are at many different angles covering up to possibly a 180 deg. ark.
a dog standing over his hole will usually give you 1 shot. a 4" miss due to wind and its over. next shot is in a completly different direction where the same thing could happen.
i quickly found i was more succesful with heavier bullets.
i could care less about what some program says is best cartridge or bullet.
ill not be taking anything less than 50 gr. bullets on my next trip.

as for 6mms on large game, location and type of terrain as well as distance are certainly things to consider.
i will admitt to being very conservative as to what i consider acceptable.
some of that comes from watching animals walk off after being hit.
id rather be overgunned than undergunned or even marjionaly gunned.
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Old 03-09-2011, 04:54 PM
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Re: 500 yard rig

500 yards, I'd be thinking a 6mm something with at least a 1:9 twist barrel
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