Originally Posted by Topgun 30-06
Caleb---We aren't even a talking a 22 mag in this particular instance. The guy says he shot a running coyote at 138 yards with a 22LR. Then he says that also proves the 22 magnum is more than enough to kill them out past that distance. What my problem is involves two things. The first is shooting at a small target running with either of those calibers at any distance like that because even a standing shot with them is asking for trouble unless you hit them in the head or possibly right in the heart. I just don't go for people like this patience guy that have stated on this thread that "they're just coyotes" and condone anything other than as close to a 100% clean, humane killing shot as you can get on ANY animal. These are the kinds of things that hunters need to police amongst themselves IMHO or one of these days we'll be throwing rocks when things come to a vote and people that are on the fence about hunting are asked to vote yea or nay on it's continuance. Anyone who says that will never happen has probably also said a black man would never be President or that health care would never be forced on American citizens. I give up on this thread because it's obvious that some of these people, especially patience, don't know what they are talking about when they say these small calibers with the small ft/lbs of energy they produce are more than sufficient at the distances we are talking about to take an animal the size of a coyote humanely on a regular basis. Again I will relate it as akin to the gambler than only tells of his winning nights and never mentions the other 10 when he lost his azz! If the shot you take isn't as close to 100% as possible that whatever you shoot at will die quickly, then the shot should not be taken. That's why you see a decent size centerfire caliber like a 22-250 or .223 being used by the pros on these varmint shooting TV shows. They shoot em and they're DRT. End of story!
Topgun, what you are saying makes perfect sense, I am not good with words on paper (computer). a 40 grain TNT from a 22 mag at 2200 fps is enough, as long as the range is short.
Those running shots at 150 yards are no less humain than a deer with a 223 at long range.
All in all the 22 rimfire can kill Coyote, but I have seen too many run off.
None of us want to see an animal suffer, clean humane kills are what we all should be after, the coyote deserves at least a 223.
If all I had was a 22 with me then yes, I would uise it.
but to go out hunting coyotes with a 22 rimfire (magnum) when you have a 223- 22-250 30-06 in the gun safe, to my hunting ethics, is not good hunting practice.
Not any less or more ethical than some kids buying a 270 win and simmons 4x32mm scope from walmart and trying to kill a deer with it at 700 yards.
they are probably more ethical than a 22 mag on a coyote at 150 yards.
223 Rem 40 vmax at 3700 fps
22WRM 40 vmax at 2100 fps
The difference is utterly gigantic in velocity
The 22-250 with a 53 Vmax (,290 bc) at 3800 fps would still have 2100 fps at 500 yards, more than a 22 mag at 50 yrds unless you can get the coyote to come up and snuff the barrel of the gun.
This is the reason why the standard of 250 yds for the 233 and over 400 for the 22-250 is for coyotes, keeping shots over 2000 fps for expansion
the 223 at 250 yards has more speed than the 22 mag has 1 inch from the muzzle.
Rimfire are not notorious for accuracy past 50 yards either.
the 22 and 17 rimfire magnums need not apply here unless the coyote is under 100 yards. all other shots are a lottery
Topgun 30-06 sounds to me like a guy who knows about his firearms and how to shoot and what to use and what not to use.
I'm not saying that the ones who use the 22 mag are unethical, but we sure the H***do not need to give the anti gunners more evidence to use against us, when they see all those injured coyotes running the county limping around. by the 22 mags.
I'm not really bothered by hunting ethics to the extreme , but the anti gunners are, we need not fuel their drive.