7mmSendaro: My extensive experience with the 17 HMR (starting in early 2,003 and continuing to this day) is EXACTLY THE OPPOSITE of your "buddies"!
I have killed several Raccoons with my 17 HMR and exactly NONE of them took more than one shot to kill and most were much further than "up in a tree" distance!
I am also on about my 20th Badger killed with the 17 HMR and exactly NONE of them took more than one shot!
I have also killed 3 Coyotes to date with my 17 HMR's and again exactly NONE of them took more than one shot!
I have also killed many Rock Chucks and several Porcupines with my 17 HMR's to date.
I fire at least 1,000 rounds a year at small game and Varmints with my 17 HMR's (mostly Ground Squirrels, Jack Rabbits, Rock Chucks and Prairie Dogs) and I know for a fact that the lethality of the 17 HMR is far superior to that of the 22 L.R. on any type of small game or Varmint!
For reference/background - I began Hunting Varmints with a 22 L.R. back in 1957!
The 22 L.R. and the 17 HMR are not even in the same ball park when it comes to lethality, the 17 HMR is so much better!
Do not underestimate the lethality of a 17 HMR on Varmints and small game - ESPECIALLY when the bullet is placed with care into a vital zone!
In additon to the previously mentioned game and Varmints I have taken with the 17 HMR I have also harvested Fox, Wild Turkey, Snowshoe Hare, Weasel, feral cats, Skunks and several varieties of flying vermin.
Used within its limitations (as with ANY cartridge) the 17 HMR is an excellent small game, predator and Varmint cartridge.
Long live the 17 HMR!
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It was just posted so the ass hat clowners would realize they were clowning someone on something they knew nothing about. I generally try not to respond on things I know nothing about because when I do I usually end up in the situation the people clowning are in.
I guess maybe someone should have explained a little better? I thought I reloaded for my 223 when I lubed the cases, popped out the old primer,re sized the neck, trimmed the cases, re primed them, put powder back in them, seated a bullet in them, and crimped them? My bad. I would have never guessed that "hand loading" meant pulling a light bullet out of a piece of brass and putting a heavier one in? like I said, "I'm no reloading expert", but that was my mistake!!
If it works for the shooter, the caliber is really not an issue, and judgements should not be made by others. Personally, I wouldn't use anything smaller than a .20VT, .222 or .21 Fireball (I usually use a .22-250), but that's just me. I have been successful with these calibers (I usually shoot them at shorter ranges), although I could be equally successful with a larger centerfire for longer ranges. Who cares what caliber is used if it works and doesn't allow for the animal's suffering, or at least minimilizes the chances of suffering? If I were successful with a BB gun in 99% of my shots, I would not be too happy at getting criticized just because I used a BB gun.
Naturally, there is always the argument about "shot placement" as being an important factor. Well...Duh....naturally this is important, so why do people keep bringing it up? But, what do I know? I have seen people using 6mm bullets for ground squirrels. I kill them with a .22 LR and rarely miss....but I pick my shots and know exactly what the rifle will do. So....if a .17 HMR works, use it. Would I use a .17 HMR? No. I am not familiar with the cartridge and want a bit of extra ooomph in case my shot is not exactly where it should be.
In my opinion 17HMR is the best coon hunting round ever developed. I have hunted with hounds for many years with a 22 LR. The 22LR could not penetrate the skull of a large MN coon. Thousands of times have I hit one in the head multiple times and they would do nothing more than shake their head. When I would skin them there would be a bunch of holes in the hide where I had shot them, but the bullets wouldn't go through the skull. When they came out of a tree they were fighting with the dog. I have shot hundreds of coon with 17HMR. Never do I have a coon fighting with the dog, they are dead before they hit the ground with one shot. Penetrates the skull every time & explodes. Rarely do I ever have an exit hole out the back of a coons head. For coyotes I would want more penetration than that. Hit one in the shoulder it wont make it to the vitals. I rarely get close enough shots at coyotes to aim at the head.