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400 yard Whitetail Cartridge?

 
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Old 12-02-2007, 10:44 AM
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Ditto on what XP was saying, the 284 class will give 400 and beyond yds if needed with energy left over. any of the others will do (7 br or 7-08) but they will be at the outer limits. I have a 284 in a HS and have used it for game out to 350+yds and milk jugs on the farm to 500 yds, great cartridge
good luck with your choice.
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Old 12-02-2007, 02:05 PM
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I had originally thought a bullet like the 120 grain Nosler Ballistic Tip would be the best option for deer hunting. Wild Bill mentioned the 162 grain A-max as a bullet to try. Which 7mm bullets have you guys tried on game?
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Old 12-02-2007, 09:12 PM
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400 yard whitetail

Barm,

I have used an XP in 284 Winchester for big game including several different species of ibex and sheep. The Nosler 140 BT is the only bullet I have used and it performed well. Shots ranged from 100 to 320 yards. I would lean toward the Nosler AB for larger species. Kirby is putting the finishing touches on the 284 now (rebarrel) and I plan on using it soon on another sheep hunt. I prefer 17 + inch barrels to get a tad more velocity.

The 6.5 WSM is another XP offering that is capable of taking whitetail out to 400 yards. So far I have been using Nosler 120 grain BT's. The longest shot I have encountered was a bezoar ibex in Turkey last Christmas at a touch over 300 yards. I want to try the Nosler 130 AB as soon as I have the opportunity. Good luck
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Old 12-02-2007, 10:35 PM
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Mark,

What would you consider the maximum range of the 7mm BR for whitetail deer? Also, would the 140 NBT be your choice if you using this cartridge? I ran some numbers to see at what distance the 120 NBT, 140 NBT, 150 NBT, and the 162 Amax would drop to 1000 foot pounds of energy in this cartridge. They did as follows: 120 NBT=225yd; 140 NBT=240yd; 150 NBT=250yd; 162 Amax=335yd. Is the 1000 foot pound rule a good "rule of thumb" for long range handgun hunting for deer?
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Old 12-02-2007, 11:31 PM
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Barm,

I consider the 7BR a 200 yard deer cartridge. That is not to say you couldn't kill a deer beyond that range. It is possible to bag a deer out at 300 yards with your 44 Mag, I just don't consider it a 300 yard deer cartridge any more than a 7BR is a 400 yard deer round. I'm using Nosler 120 grain BTs in my 7BR and it is very accurate. I wouldn't hesitate using it on a whitetail if I kept my shots under 200 yards. There are many options much better suited for long range deer hunting than the 7BR. It was originally designed to shoot steel. This cartridge in an XP can be extremely accurate and fun to shoot. Obviously, this is just one man's opinion and it's cheap
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Old 12-02-2007, 11:47 PM
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I had originally thought a bullet like the 120 grain Nosler Ballistic Tip would be the best option for deer hunting. Wild Bill mentioned the 162 grain A-max as a bullet to try. Which 7mm bullets have you guys tried on game?
With my 7mm-08, Steve and I have used both the 120 & 140 NBT for PD's, antelope, whitetail, and muley's
With my 284 win XP I use the 140 NBT for deer/antelope and the 140 Partition for elk.

I think the AB would work great as well, but never used them my self. The 162 A-Max should work great with deer/antelope, but not sure if I wuld use it one elk, especially a big cow or bull.

The Berger's have been proven to work good as well.
In my 7mm Dakota XP I use the 200 grain Wildcat for everything.

With the 7BR I would look at the lighter weight bullets like the 120 & 130 grainers and I wouldn't consider the 7BR a 400 yard deer slayer.
I would call it a 250 yard cartridge. Part of the problem is the slower MV's result in low impact velocities which may cause some bullets to not perform well, since it is outside of their design parameters.
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Old 12-03-2007, 12:05 AM
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Mark,

Thank you for the setting a limit with the 7mmBR. I got bit by the handgun bug and I want to try the gun in its original chambering to see if I am going to like it before I spend any money to rebarrel. I have a place to hunt deer into February so I should have time to work something up to hunt with this season.

Xphunter,

Thank you for taking the time to list your experience with 7mm bullets. How is the recoil of the 284 without a brake? I'm probably going to start with the Nosler 120 grain Ballistic Tip with my 7mm BR, what powder would you recommend? I'm thinking H322 or VV133 with this weight?
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