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Old 11-18-2005, 05:09 PM
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US869 Data

I called Hodgdon today and they emailed me this data. Sorry if it's hard to read. I couldn't get the same format on here as my email had. Hopefully Lerch and I will have a little to test out next week [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif[/img]!!!!


Hodgdon Powder Company 7mm Remington Ultra Magnum
Cartridge Load Recipe Report - 11/18/2005 Load Type: *Rifle Powder: *US 869
Cartridge Information
Case: *Remington Barrel Length: *24"
Twist: *1.9.5" Trim Length: *2.840"
Primer: *REMINGTON 9 1/2M
7mm Remington Ultra Magnum Starting Loads Maximum Loads
Cartridge Load Data

Bullet Weight (Gr.) Powder Bullet Diam. C.O.L. Grs. Vel. (ft/s) Pressure Grs. Vel. (ft/s) Pressure
130 GR. BAR XBT* US 869* .284"* 3.560"* 105.0* 3285* 57,300 PSI* 108.3* 3405* 63,800 PSI*
140 GR. BAR XBT* US 869* .284"* 3.560"* 102.0* 3162* 56,400 PSI* 104.7* 3275* 62,400 PSI*
145 GR. SPR GSSP* US 869* .284"* 3.580"* 103.0* 3172* 56,600 PSI* 106.0* 3270* 61,100 PSI*
150 GR. SFT SCIR* US 869* .284"* 3.600"* 102.0* 3137* 58,800 PSI* 104.5* 3226* 63,200 PSI*
154 GR. HDY SP* US 869* .284"* 3.630"* 101.8* 3060* 56,400 PSI* 104.5* 3211* 62,800 PSI*
160 GR. NOS PART* US 869* .284"* 3.600"* 97.0* 2928* 50,400 PSI* 103.0* 3192* 62,900 PSI*
162 GR. HDY SPBT* US 869* .284"* 3.650"* 100.5* 3075* 58,700 PSI* 103.5* 3173* 62,800 PSI*
168 GR. SIE HPBT* US 869* .284"* 3.650"* 96.0* 2899* 53,100 PSI* 101.5* 3089* 61,900 PSI*
175 GR. SFT SP* US 869* .284"* 3.600"* 95.0* 2851* 51,800 PSI* 102.0* 3077* 63,000 PSI*

Hodgdon Powder Company 300 Remington Ultra Mag
Cartridge Load Recipe Report - 11/18/2005 Load Type: *Rifle Powder: *US 869
Cartridge Information
Case: *Remington Barrel Length: *24"
Twist: *1:10" Trim Length: *2.840"
Primer: *Remington 9 1/2M
300 Remington Ultra Mag Starting Loads Maximum Loads
Cartridge Load Data

Bullet Weight (Gr.) Powder Bullet Diam. C.O.L. Grs. Vel. (ft/s) Pressure Grs. Vel. (ft/s) Pressure
180 GR. SPR SPBT* US 869* .308"* 3.530"* 104.0* 2994* 53,800 PSI* 107.0* 3070* 57,300 PSI*
190 GR. HDY SPBT* US 869* .308"* 3.555"* 100.0* 2905* 52,600 PSI* 104.0* 3035* 59,200 PSI*
200 GR. BAR XFB* US 869* .308"* 3.555"* 96.0* 2834* 58,000 PSI* 100.0* 2919* 61,800 PSI*
220 GR. NOS PART* US 869* .308"* 3.530"* 97.0* 2758* 49,500 PSI* 101.0* 2875* 55,200 PSI*


Hodgdon Powder Company 300 Winchester Magnum
Cartridge Load Recipe Report - 11/18/2005 Load Type: *Rifle Powder: *US 869
Cartridge Information
Case: *Winchester Barrel Length: *24"
Twist: *1:10" Trim Length: *2.610"
Primer: *WINCHESTER LR
300 Winchester Magnum Starting Loads Maximum Loads
Cartridge Load Data

Bullet Weight (Gr.) Powder Bullet Diam. C.O.L. Grs. Vel. (ft/s) Pressure Grs. Vel. (ft/s) Pressure
180 GR. SPR MT-SP* US 869* .308"* 3.285"* 86.0* 2824* 52,500 PSI* 88.0* 2892* 56,800 PSI*
200 GR. NOS PART* US 869* .308"* 3.340"* 83.0* 2657* 49,200 PSI* 85.0* 2712* 51,800 PSI*
220 GR. SIE RN* US 869* .308"* 3.340"* 82.0* 2578* 49,500 PSI* 84.9* 2661* 54,400 PSI*


Hodgdon Powder Company 30-378 Weatherby
Cartridge Load Recipe Report - 11/18/2005 Load Type: *Rifle Powder: *US 869
Cartridge Information
Case: *Weatherby Barrel Length: *26"
Twist: *1:10" Trim Length: *2.903"
Primer: *FEDERAL 215 M
30-378 Weatherby Starting Loads Maximum Loads
Cartridge Load Data

Bullet Weight (Gr.) Powder Bullet Diam. C.O.L. Grs. Vel. (ft/s) Pressure Grs. Vel. (ft/s) Pressure
165 GR. SFT SP* US 869* .308"* 3.600"* 121.0* 3325* 41,100 CUP* 123.5* 3423* 47,800 CUP*
180 GR. SPR SPBT* US 869* .308"* 3.600"* 115.0* 3101* 40,800 CUP* 120.0* 3302* 47,100 CUP*
190 GR. HDY SPBT* US 869* .308"* 3.625"* 115.0* 3146* 44,100 CUP* 120.0* 3331* 49,800 CUP*
200 GR. BAR XFB* US 869* .308"* 3.645"* 115.0* 3134* 49,800 CUP* 118.0* 3206* 52,500 CUP*
220 GR. NOS PART* US 869* .308"* 3.600"* 114.5* 3068* 49,500 CUP* 117.0* 3134* 51,400 CUP*


Hodgdon Powder Company 338 Lapua Magnum
Cartridge Load Recipe Report - 11/18/2005 Load Type: *Rifle Powder: *US 869
Cartridge Information
Case: *Norma Barrel Length: *24"
Twist: *1:9" Trim Length: *2.714"
Primer: *Federal 215M
338 Lapua Magnum Starting Loads Maximum Loads
Cartridge Load Data

Bullet Weight (Gr.) Powder Bullet Diam. C.O.L. Grs. Vel. (ft/s) Pressure Grs. Vel. (ft/s) Pressure
250 GR. HDY SP* US 869* .338"* 3.550"* 101.5* 2728* 47,000 CUP* 108.0* 2879* 51,100 CUP*
275 GR. SFT SP* US 869* .338"* 3.460"* 99.0* 2636* 46,200 CUP* 104.5* 2761* 52,200 CUP*
300 GR. SIE HPBT* US 869* .338"* 3.600"* 98.5* 2567* 47,500 CUP* 104.0* 2677* 51,500 CUP*


Hodgdon Powder Company 338 Remington Ultra Mag
Cartridge Load Recipe Report - 11/18/2005 Load Type: *Rifle Powder: *US 869
Cartridge Information
Case: *Remington Barrel Length: *24"
Twist: *1:10" Trim Length: *2.750"
Primer: *REMINGTON 9 1/2M
338 Remington Ultra Mag Starting Loads Maximum Loads
Cartridge Load Data

Bullet Weight (Gr.) Powder Bullet Diam. C.O.L. Grs. Vel. (ft/s) Pressure Grs. Vel. (ft/s) Pressure
250 GR. HDY SP* US 869* .338"* 3.580"* 100.0* 2658* 51,300 PSI* 104.0* 2751* 56,200 PSI*
275 GR. SFT SP* US 869* .338"* 3.490"* 96.0* 2525* 50,700 PSI* 102.0* 2698* 60,600 PSI*
300 GR. SIE HPBT* US 869* .338"* 3.580"* 96.0* 2455* 49,500 PSI* 101.0* 2595* 57,000 PSI*


Hodgdon Powder Company 338-378 Weatherby Magnum
Cartridge Load Recipe Report - 11/18/2005 Load Type: *Rifle Powder: *US 869
Cartridge Information
Case: *Weatherby Barrel Length: *26"
Twist: *1:10" Trim Length: *2.903"
Primer: *FEDERAL 215M
338-378 Weatherby Magnum Starting Loads Maximum Loads
Cartridge Load Data

Bullet Weight (Gr.) Powder Bullet Diam. C.O.L. Grs. Vel. (ft/s) Pressure Grs. Vel. (ft/s) Pressure
250 GR. HDY SP* US 869* .338"* 3.660"* 116.0* 2806* 40,900 CUP* 123.0* 3000* 48,400 CUP*
275 GR. SFT SP* US 869* .338"* 3.640"* 113.0* 2749* 44,000 CUP* 120.0* 2904* 49,700 CUP*
300 GR. SIE HPBT* US 869* .338"* 3.750"* 108.0* 2598* 41,800 CUP* 115.0* 2782* 48,700 CUP*


Hodgdon Powder Company 50 Browning Machine Gun
Cartridge Load Recipe Report - 11/18/2005 Load Type: *Rifle Powder: *US 869
Cartridge Information
Case: *FNB Barrel Length: *45"
Twist: *1:16.5" Trim Length: *3.900"
Primer: *CCI 35
50 Browning Machine Gun Starting Loads Maximum Loads
Cartridge Load Data

Bullet Weight (Gr.) Powder Bullet Diam. C.O.L. Grs. Vel. (ft/s) Pressure Grs. Vel. (ft/s) Pressure
650 GR. M-33* US 869* .510"* 5.425"* 265.0* 3155*
750 GR. HDY A-MAX* US 869* .510"* 5.450"* 250.0* 2944*
800 GR. BAR SOLID* US 869* .510"* 5.630"* 250.0* 2895*


Hodgdon Powder Company 7mm Shooting Times Westerner
Cartridge Load Recipe Report - 11/18/2005 Load Type: *Rifle Powder: *US 869
Cartridge Information
Case: *Federal Barrel Length: *24"
Twist: *1:10" Trim Length: *2.840"
Primer: *FEDERAL 215
7mm Shooting Times Westerner Starting Loads Maximum Loads
Cartridge Load Data

Bullet Weight (Gr.) Powder Bullet Diam. C.O.L. Grs. Vel. (ft/s) Pressure Grs. Vel. (ft/s) Pressure
145 GR. SPR SP* US 869* .284"* 3.565"* 86.0* 3055* 48,300 CUP* 91.0* 3209* 52,900 CUP*
150 GR. BAR XFB* US 869* .284"* 3.585"* 83.0* 2893* 41,600 CUP* 88.0* 3045* 50,700 CUP*
160 GR. SFT SP* US 869* .284"* 3.565"* 85.0* 2922* 46,400 CUP* 90.0* 3041* 50,800 CUP*
175 GR. NOS PART* US 869* .284"* 3.585"* 84.0* 2908* 50,100 CUP* 88.0* 3020* 53,200 CUP*


Hodgdon Powder Company 7mm Remington Magnum
Cartridge Load Recipe Report - 11/18/2005 Load Type: *Rifle Powder: *US 869
Cartridge Information
Case: *Winchester Barrel Length: *24"
Twist: *1:9.5" Trim Length: *2.490"
Primer: *WINCHESTER LR
7mm Remington Magnum Starting Loads Maximum Loads
Cartridge Load Data

Bullet Weight (Gr.) Powder Bullet Diam. C.O.L. Grs. Vel. (ft/s) Pressure Grs. Vel. (ft/s) Pressure
160 GR. NOS PART* US 869* .284"* 3.290"* 77.0* 2786* 52,300 PSI* 80.0* 2897* 58,300 PSI*
162 GR. HDY SPBT* US 869* .284"* 3.290"* 77.0* 2820* 49,800 PSI* 80.0* 2921* 54,400 PSI*
170 GR. SIE RN* US 869* .284"* 3.270"* 77.0* 2688* 44,700 PSI* 79.0* 2826* 51,300 PSI*
175 GR. NOS PART* US 869* .284"* 3.290"* 74.0* 2632* 49,300 PSI* 77.0* 2758* 56,200 PSI*
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Old 11-18-2005, 06:24 PM
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Re: US869 Data

Well Bill, those numbers look pretty disappointing except for the 50 BMG [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/frown.gif[/img] Turns the 7s into 270 Wins with the 140s same with the 338 RUM gets it down to the 338 Win velocity.

Wonder if a little more could be used. Usually Hodgon is pretty conservative.....

Do you think it will match 872 in your AM?

Thanks for the extra effort and the informative post. [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif[/img]
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Old 11-18-2005, 06:28 PM
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Re: US869 Data

I don't know if it will or not. I would give up 100-150fps to get temp. stability. There can be as much as 100fps difference in our 270 AMs using the 872 from summer to now. We would even notice a differnce from the cool morning to warm afternoons as far as primer flow and extraction.
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Old 11-18-2005, 07:13 PM
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Re: US869 Data

Checking the Sierra manual for the really huge case 30-378wby with the really heavy bullets it is giving as good or better velocities than the old H870.

Hopefully this is a big case, heavy bullet, long barrel powder
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Old 11-19-2005, 12:55 AM
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Re: US869 Data

I don't understand why the stopped at such low pressures for so many cartridges. If you look at the 300 RUM data, except for the 200 grain load (using that bullet it's worthless data anyway), those are starting load pressures.

The best example is the 220 grain load. From their current manual:

Starting load for H870: 101 grains, 2818 fps, 54,800 psi.

Max load for US869: 101 grains, 2875, 55,200 psi.

The good news is it looks like in this round with heavy bullets the same powdercharge results in basically the same pressure but nearly 60 fps more velocity.

Looks like it has potential to me. The only question is why they stopped at 101 grains--it certainly wasn't because of pressure. I have a hard time believing they couldn't fit more than 101 grains of ball powder into the case....

Oh well, if it's as accurate and consistent as H870 was and is really temperature stable, I'd be happy if it can just come fairly close to the velocities H870 provided as nothing I've found that satisfies the above can.

So if you look closely enough at the data, I think it looks pretty promising. Also, except for the Weatherbys and BMG, all those are from a 24" barrel.
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Old 11-21-2005, 11:01 AM
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Re: US869 Data

Did Hodgdon give any clue as to when dealers will have this powder on shelves? Seems I read Jan 06 somewhere here. Would like to try it in the 7 rum as I am recently wanting to try some new loads for it. Looks like it should fill the case up pretty good.
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Old 11-21-2005, 12:39 PM
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Re: US869 Data

I don't know when dealers will have. Hodgdon has it now, they just don't have the packaging yet. I would guess sometime between Jan and March.
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